Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[Little32]

Originally Posted by Confucius

I really need for people to get it together. Dialogue and Constructive Criticism is one thing....antagonistic behavior is another.....

Moving on. I always wondered why the community surrounding Duke University rose up against the University so fast? It wasn't just the prosecutor but the entire community.

In comparison, I went to the University of Pittsburgh, Carnegie Mellon was one block up, and I pass University of Pennsylvania frequently. I can't see the neighborhoods surrounding these school jumping up, ready to burn the school down on moments notice. I am sure the community's would have watched closely but Duke had no support from the city of Durham.

I wonder what the relationship was/is between Duke and surrounding the community. Hmm.....

I know one thing...at least another group of people knows how it feels to be wrongly accused.

From what I understand, there has been a long standing animosity between the school and the community (town/gown conflict). It is primarily a race/class issue. There have probably been too many instances where something really did happen(not necessarily rape, but other criminal activity)--and was swept under the rug, and the town is just fed up.

I'm not sure who I should believe. In the beginning I was completely on the young lady's side but once other statements got out and more details were released, I doubted her story. I also think the Durham community is starting to doubt it as well. I am a student at NCCU and when she first came forth, we had rallies almost everyday on her behalf. We had signs around campus showing our support for her and everything. I'm not saying that she is not being supported now, but it is not that visible anymore. If she is being truthful, they did a helluva job covering it up and I am sorry they will not be held accountable for what they did. If they didn't...I feel bad their names were dragged through the dirt. I say what's done is done, try to move on and leave it in God's hand.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

You heard it here first.

RainMan?!?

[DLTA22]

Originally Posted by Victor Ziegler

Criticize all you want, you know I'm right.

I noticed you didn't comment on the three boys innocence. Why? Do you have to admit you are wrong?

Are you incapable of believing that black people commit hate crimes against white people?

Are you the only one allowed to indulge in righteous indignation? And only on your own terms?

The fact that you did not comment on the actual statement speaks volumes. AfAm activists will not be taken seriously for a long time.

Disclaimer: This is a long one to read

Correct me if I am wrong, but when did an allegation of rape equate to committing a hate crime. Although I am not a legal expert, allow me to state my opinion. The only persons who truly know the occurrences of that fateful night are the former plaintiff and the defendants. Lets be clear, the charges were dropped by the prosecution, which if I am correct does not equate to an actual acquittal. The charges were dropped for different reasons and although its easy to point the finger at the accuser and say she lied, there are other circumstances to consider such as
- Was there substantial evidence to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT and I stress those words again that the allegations levelled against those players would hold up in trial.

An accusation of rape polarizes men against women and everyone rushes to take sides. Lets not rush to turn this into a false claim of reverse racism (which is actually a misnomer) because if you check the statistics, the overwhelming majority of rapes occur BETWEEN people from the SAME race. So drop the shenanigans...would you have been up in arms the same way had the plaintiff been a White girl.

I recall a case where a women alleged being brutally raped by a "gang" of boys in Central Park and EVERYYYYYYONE was quick to believe her story. After spending more than a decade or so behind bars, come to find out with the help of DNA analysis, ALL of those boys were released when it was determined that they DID NOT do the crime. Where was the social outcry of injustice.....oh yeah the accuser was White so the defendants were presumed guilty until proven innocent. This country has been soooooo brainwashed to flip at the drop of a hat at controversies along the racial divide. Race polarizes people and thats why this case was played up to the highest level. In closing having the charges dropped doesnt necessarily speak to ones innocence, the prosecutor is more culpable than the woman in question.


So stop it with your broad brush statements and for the record social activists from our community don't need or rely on your stamp of approval. This case further supports why women oftentime remain silent about rape rather than report it to the authorities.

Thats my $19.13 cents worth on that......

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DLTA22

Disclaimer: This is a long one to read

Correct me if I am wrong, but when did an allegation of rape equate to committing a hate crime. Although I am not a legal expert, allow me to state my opinion. The only persons who truly know the occurrences of that fateful night are the former plaintiff and the defendants. Lets be clear, the charges were dropped by the prosecution, which if I am correct does not equate to an actual acquittal. The charges were dropped for different reasons and although its easy to point the finger at the accuser and say she lied, there are other circumstances to consider such as
- Was there substantial evidence to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT and I stress those words again that the allegations levelled against those players would hold up in trial.

An accusation of rape polarizes men against women and everyone rushes to take sides. Lets not rush to turn this into a false claim of reverse racism (which is actually a misnomer) because if you check the statistics, the overwhelming majority of rapes occur BETWEEN people from the SAME race. So drop the shenanigans...would you have been up in arms the same way had the plaintiff been a White girl.

I recall a case where a women alleged being brutally raped by a "gang" of boys in Central Park and EVERYYYYYYONE was quick to believe her story. After spending more than a decade or so behind bars, come to find out with the help of DNA analysis, ALL of those boys were released when it was determined that they DID NOT do the crime. Where was the social outcry of injustice.....oh yeah the accuser was White so the defendants were presumed guilty until proven innocent. This country has been soooooo brainwashed to flip at the drop of a hat at controversies along the racial divide. Race polarizes people and thats why this case was played up to the highest level. In closing having the charges dropped doesnt necessarily speak to ones innocence, the prosecutor is more culpable than the woman in question.


So stop it with your broad brush statements and for the record social activists from our community don't need or rely on your stamp of approval. This case further supports why women oftentime remain silent about rape rather than report it to the authorities.

Thats my $19.13 cents worth on that......

I don't think its a hate crime, but it could be an act of racial prejudice. As I've said all along, my personal opinion of the most likely scenario is that she was treated poorly by other young men or the Duke guys, and decided to seek retribution.

I'm tired of people saying that these boys didn't get an acquittal, as if that is leaving the door open. The case was dismissed. It wasn't done as a favor, it was done because there isn't enough evidence to proceed. They were innocent when they started, and they certainly weren't proven guilty.

[James]

I don't think that in the case of the Central PArk Victim the woman has much to do with the boys being arrested.

They would have been arrested and "confessed" while she was still in intensive care.

http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/1/rapist-hancock.asp

Here is a link to that situation and issues of false confession.

Originally Posted by DLTA22

Disclaimer: This is a long one to read

Correct me if I am wrong, but when did an allegation of rape equate to committing a hate crime. Although I am not a legal expert, allow me to state my opinion. The only persons who truly know the occurrences of that fateful night are the former plaintiff and the defendants. Lets be clear, the charges were dropped by the prosecution, which if I am correct does not equate to an actual acquittal. The charges were dropped for different reasons and although its easy to point the finger at the accuser and say she lied, there are other circumstances to consider such as
- Was there substantial evidence to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT and I stress those words again that the allegations levelled against those players would hold up in trial.

An accusation of rape polarizes men against women and everyone rushes to take sides. Lets not rush to turn this into a false claim of reverse racism (which is actually a misnomer) because if you check the statistics, the overwhelming majority of rapes occur BETWEEN people from the SAME race. So drop the shenanigans...would you have been up in arms the same way had the plaintiff been a White girl.

I recall a case where a women alleged being brutally raped by a "gang" of boys in Central Park and EVERYYYYYYONE was quick to believe her story. After spending more than a decade or so behind bars, come to find out with the help of DNA analysis, ALL of those boys were released when it was determined that they DID NOT do the crime. Where was the social outcry of injustice.....oh yeah the accuser was White so the defendants were presumed guilty until proven innocent. This country has been soooooo brainwashed to flip at the drop of a hat at controversies along the racial divide. Race polarizes people and thats why this case was played up to the highest level. In closing having the charges dropped doesnt necessarily speak to ones innocence, the prosecutor is more culpable than the woman in question.


So stop it with your broad brush statements and for the record social activists from our community don't need or rely on your stamp of approval. This case further supports why women oftentime remain silent about rape rather than report it to the authorities.

Thats my $19.13 cents worth on that......

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by James

I don't think that in the case of the Central PArk Victim the woman has much to do with the boys being arrested.

They would have been arrested and "confessed" while she was still in intensive care.

http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/1/rapist-hancock.asp

Here is a link to that situation and issues of false confession.

Yeah, wasn't this a controversial case regarding police interrogation rather than the actions of the victim?

[James]

Yes, to the best of my knowledge.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Yeah, wasn't this a controversial case regarding police interrogation rather than the actions of the victim?

[Confucius]

Originally Posted by Little32

From what I understand, there has been a long standing animosity between the school and the community (town/gown conflict). It is primarily a race/class issue. There have probably been too many instances where something really did happen(not necessarily rape, but other criminal activity)--and was swept under the rug, and the town is just fed up.

Make sense, I knew there had to be some reason for this.

[shinerbock]

Sorry, I have a tough time believing that the college students were preying upon the locals. Logic indicates that it was probably the other way around. I'm not saying there weren't incidents like you mentioned, but I have a tough time believing they're the victim.

[skeeliteful]

FYI...The 3 accused men along with their attorney are on 60 minutes right now.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Nifong apologizes to ex-Duke lacrosse players

Former D.A. admits there was 'no credible evidence' in rape investigation

Updated: 12:02 p.m. ET July 26, 2007
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DURHAM, N.C. - Disgraced former prosecutor Mike Nifong acknowledged Thursday there is “no credible evidence” that three Duke lacrosse players committed any of the crimes he accused them of more than a year ago, offering for the first time a complete and unqualified apology.
“We all need to heal,” Nifong said. “It is my hope we can start this process today.”
Nifong’s apology came as a judge began considering whether to hold the former Durham County district attorney in criminal contempt of court for his handling of the case.

Rest of story here

*Bill Duke enters the room with Mike Nifong and Crystal Gail Mangum and says as follows:

"You know what you done. You done f[oul]ed up. You know you done f[oul]ed up, right....."*

The chickens done came home to roost.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Sorry, I have a tough time believing that the college students were preying upon the locals. Logic indicates that it was probably the other way around. I'm not saying there weren't incidents like you mentioned, but I have a tough time believing they're the victim.

This is the reason that, whatever our ideological or experiential perspective, we have to look at the particulat facts, and not speculate about general expectations circumscribed by racial,class,gender issues.

The Duke lacrosse team was known to be rowdy, with infraction after infraction and year after year of drunk, disorderly conduct and other "animal house" behaviour like out of control underage drinking, public urination, etc. in the residential neighborhood where the house was.The University did not censure them as they should have. Something of this nature was bound to happen. Does that make the three young men guilty? No; but in this circumstance it can lend some credence to speculation about sexual misconduct,given this context.

This is like the "perfect storm" of a case. All the parties involved being in the wrong place at the wrong time, doing the wrong things. Nothing good will come of it. It's a lose-lose siutation for all involved. This is the lesson the carefree, boys and girls gone wild crowd needs to consider.