Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[Gods Ivy]

I agree but the sad thing is that they are not being held accountable. They are still allowed to attend school and have not being suspended. I believe if the situation were turned it would be different. Much different.

[Victor Ziegler]

Originally Posted by Gods Ivy

I agree but the sad thing is that they are not being held accountable. They are still allowed to attend school and have not being suspended. I believe if the situation were turned it would be different. Much different.

I cordially invite Gods Ivy to admit she was wrong in ASSuming these three boys were guilty. The invitation is also extended to all NPHC members who were rushing to judge these boys guilty because of their race.

You were wrong. You were hateful. You perpetuated racism and injustice. You were the opposite of the ideals of your fraternity/sorority.

Now it's time to be men and women and admit that not every black person who accuses a white person of a crime is telling the truth.

Go on, Gods Ivy. Start off the string of apologies for your racist attitude.

[Exquisite5]

Aside from the word "cordially," nothing in this post is well, cordial.

Originally Posted by Victor Ziegler

I cordially invite Gods Ivy to admit she was wrong in ASSuming these three boys were guilty. The invitation is also extended to all NPHC members who were rushing to judge these boys guilty because of their race.

You were wrong. You were hateful. You perpetuated racism and injustice. You were the opposite of the ideals of your fraternity/sorority.

Now it's time to be men and women and admit that not every black person who accuses a white person of a crime is telling the truth.

Go on, Gods Ivy. Start off the string of apologies for your racist attitude.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Exquisite5

Aside from the word "cordially," nothing in this post is well, cordial.

It's like saying "with all due respect"

[Exquisite5]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's like saying "with all due respect"

Clearly.

My point was that, despite his use of the word, there was nothing cordial or respectful about the post.

[Confucius]

I really need for people to get it together. Dialogue and Constructive Criticism is one thing....antagonistic behavior is another.....

Moving on. I always wondered why the community surrounding Duke University rose up against the University so fast? It wasn't just the prosecutor but the entire community.

In comparison, I went to the University of Pittsburgh, Carnegie Mellon was one block up, and I pass University of Pennsylvania frequently. I can't see the neighborhoods surrounding these school jumping up, ready to burn the school down on moments notice. I am sure the community's would have watched closely but Duke had no support from the city of Durham.

I wonder what the relationship was/is between Duke and surrounding the community. Hmm.....

I know one thing...at least another group of people knows how it feels to be wrongly accused.

[jon1856]

An interesting POV-The Op-Ed Cartoons from the local newspaper:
http://cagle.com/news/DraughonDukeScandal/

[Little32]

Originally Posted by Confucius

I really need for people to get it together. Dialogue and Constructive Criticism is one thing....antagonistic behavior is another.....

Moving on. I always wondered why the community surrounding Duke University rose up against the University so fast? It wasn't just the prosecutor but the entire community.

In comparison, I went to the University of Pittsburgh, Carnegie Mellon was one block up, and I pass University of Pennsylvania frequently. I can't see the neighborhoods surrounding these school jumping up, ready to burn the school down on moments notice. I am sure the community's would have watched closely but Duke had no support from the city of Durham.

I wonder what the relationship was/is between Duke and surrounding the community. Hmm.....

I know one thing...at least another group of people knows how it feels to be wrongly accused.

From what I understand, there has been a long standing animosity between the school and the community (town/gown conflict). It is primarily a race/class issue. There have probably been too many instances where something really did happen(not necessarily rape, but other criminal activity)--and was swept under the rug, and the town is just fed up.

[Victor Ziegler]

Originally Posted by Exquisite5

Aside from the word "cordially," nothing in this post is well, cordial.

Criticize all you want, you know I'm right.

I noticed you didn't comment on the three boys innocence. Why? Do you have to admit you are wrong?

Are you incapable of believing that black people commit hate crimes against white people?

Are you the only one allowed to indulge in righteous indignation? And only on your own terms?

The fact that you did not comment on the actual statement speaks volumes. AfAm activists will not be taken seriously for a long time.

[nikki1920]

Um, ok.

Anyway, the charges were dropped. In this specific case, it was the right thing to do.

I hope these young men can recover from the stigma that has falsely been attached to them.

I hope the accuser gets a lot of psychological help.

[Exquisite5]

I never said they were guilty, thus I don't need to admit I was wrong. Bother someone else with your antagonizing nonsense.

With respect to the rest of your post, you assertions are invalid, because there was nothing to "speak volumes" about as I never said they were guilty to begin with. Thus, your initial accusations weren't directed towards me, so why respond? Now that you've directed your bogus accusations towards me, I'm responding.

Originally Posted by Victor Ziegler

Criticize all you want, you know I'm right.

I noticed you didn't comment on the three boys innocence. Why? Do you have to admit you are wrong?

Are you incapable of believing that black people commit hate crimes against white people?

Are you the only one allowed to indulge in righteous indignation? And only on your own terms?

The fact that you did not comment on the actual statement speaks volumes. AfAm activists will not be taken seriously for a long time.

[DLTA22]

Originally Posted by Victor Ziegler

Criticize all you want, you know I'm right.

I noticed you didn't comment on the three boys innocence. Why? Do you have to admit you are wrong?

Are you incapable of believing that black people commit hate crimes against white people?

Are you the only one allowed to indulge in righteous indignation? And only on your own terms?

The fact that you did not comment on the actual statement speaks volumes. AfAm activists will not be taken seriously for a long time.

Disclaimer: This is a long one to read

Correct me if I am wrong, but when did an allegation of rape equate to committing a hate crime. Although I am not a legal expert, allow me to state my opinion. The only persons who truly know the occurrences of that fateful night are the former plaintiff and the defendants. Lets be clear, the charges were dropped by the prosecution, which if I am correct does not equate to an actual acquittal. The charges were dropped for different reasons and although its easy to point the finger at the accuser and say she lied, there are other circumstances to consider such as
- Was there substantial evidence to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT and I stress those words again that the allegations levelled against those players would hold up in trial.

An accusation of rape polarizes men against women and everyone rushes to take sides. Lets not rush to turn this into a false claim of reverse racism (which is actually a misnomer) because if you check the statistics, the overwhelming majority of rapes occur BETWEEN people from the SAME race. So drop the shenanigans...would you have been up in arms the same way had the plaintiff been a White girl.

I recall a case where a women alleged being brutally raped by a "gang" of boys in Central Park and EVERYYYYYYONE was quick to believe her story. After spending more than a decade or so behind bars, come to find out with the help of DNA analysis, ALL of those boys were released when it was determined that they DID NOT do the crime. Where was the social outcry of injustice.....oh yeah the accuser was White so the defendants were presumed guilty until proven innocent. This country has been soooooo brainwashed to flip at the drop of a hat at controversies along the racial divide. Race polarizes people and thats why this case was played up to the highest level. In closing having the charges dropped doesnt necessarily speak to ones innocence, the prosecutor is more culpable than the woman in question.


So stop it with your broad brush statements and for the record social activists from our community don't need or rely on your stamp of approval. This case further supports why women oftentime remain silent about rape rather than report it to the authorities.

Thats my $19.13 cents worth on that......

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DLTA22

Disclaimer: This is a long one to read

Correct me if I am wrong, but when did an allegation of rape equate to committing a hate crime. Although I am not a legal expert, allow me to state my opinion. The only persons who truly know the occurrences of that fateful night are the former plaintiff and the defendants. Lets be clear, the charges were dropped by the prosecution, which if I am correct does not equate to an actual acquittal. The charges were dropped for different reasons and although its easy to point the finger at the accuser and say she lied, there are other circumstances to consider such as
- Was there substantial evidence to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT and I stress those words again that the allegations levelled against those players would hold up in trial.

An accusation of rape polarizes men against women and everyone rushes to take sides. Lets not rush to turn this into a false claim of reverse racism (which is actually a misnomer) because if you check the statistics, the overwhelming majority of rapes occur BETWEEN people from the SAME race. So drop the shenanigans...would you have been up in arms the same way had the plaintiff been a White girl.

I recall a case where a women alleged being brutally raped by a "gang" of boys in Central Park and EVERYYYYYYONE was quick to believe her story. After spending more than a decade or so behind bars, come to find out with the help of DNA analysis, ALL of those boys were released when it was determined that they DID NOT do the crime. Where was the social outcry of injustice.....oh yeah the accuser was White so the defendants were presumed guilty until proven innocent. This country has been soooooo brainwashed to flip at the drop of a hat at controversies along the racial divide. Race polarizes people and thats why this case was played up to the highest level. In closing having the charges dropped doesnt necessarily speak to ones innocence, the prosecutor is more culpable than the woman in question.


So stop it with your broad brush statements and for the record social activists from our community don't need or rely on your stamp of approval. This case further supports why women oftentime remain silent about rape rather than report it to the authorities.

Thats my $19.13 cents worth on that......

I don't think its a hate crime, but it could be an act of racial prejudice. As I've said all along, my personal opinion of the most likely scenario is that she was treated poorly by other young men or the Duke guys, and decided to seek retribution.

I'm tired of people saying that these boys didn't get an acquittal, as if that is leaving the door open. The case was dismissed. It wasn't done as a favor, it was done because there isn't enough evidence to proceed. They were innocent when they started, and they certainly weren't proven guilty.

[James]

I don't think that in the case of the Central PArk Victim the woman has much to do with the boys being arrested.

They would have been arrested and "confessed" while she was still in intensive care.

http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/1/rapist-hancock.asp

Here is a link to that situation and issues of false confession.

Originally Posted by DLTA22

Disclaimer: This is a long one to read

Correct me if I am wrong, but when did an allegation of rape equate to committing a hate crime. Although I am not a legal expert, allow me to state my opinion. The only persons who truly know the occurrences of that fateful night are the former plaintiff and the defendants. Lets be clear, the charges were dropped by the prosecution, which if I am correct does not equate to an actual acquittal. The charges were dropped for different reasons and although its easy to point the finger at the accuser and say she lied, there are other circumstances to consider such as
- Was there substantial evidence to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT and I stress those words again that the allegations levelled against those players would hold up in trial.

An accusation of rape polarizes men against women and everyone rushes to take sides. Lets not rush to turn this into a false claim of reverse racism (which is actually a misnomer) because if you check the statistics, the overwhelming majority of rapes occur BETWEEN people from the SAME race. So drop the shenanigans...would you have been up in arms the same way had the plaintiff been a White girl.

I recall a case where a women alleged being brutally raped by a "gang" of boys in Central Park and EVERYYYYYYONE was quick to believe her story. After spending more than a decade or so behind bars, come to find out with the help of DNA analysis, ALL of those boys were released when it was determined that they DID NOT do the crime. Where was the social outcry of injustice.....oh yeah the accuser was White so the defendants were presumed guilty until proven innocent. This country has been soooooo brainwashed to flip at the drop of a hat at controversies along the racial divide. Race polarizes people and thats why this case was played up to the highest level. In closing having the charges dropped doesnt necessarily speak to ones innocence, the prosecutor is more culpable than the woman in question.


So stop it with your broad brush statements and for the record social activists from our community don't need or rely on your stamp of approval. This case further supports why women oftentime remain silent about rape rather than report it to the authorities.

Thats my $19.13 cents worth on that......

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by James

I don't think that in the case of the Central PArk Victim the woman has much to do with the boys being arrested.

They would have been arrested and "confessed" while she was still in intensive care.

http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/1/rapist-hancock.asp

Here is a link to that situation and issues of false confession.

Yeah, wasn't this a controversial case regarding police interrogation rather than the actions of the victim?