More Hazing

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983

this problem seems to be extremely severe in BGLOs. This is definitely NOT the first time I've heard of this happening with Alpha Phi Alpha pledges. I'm shocked that APhiA national has not taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore. This activity is the sort that gets an entire chapter shut down with most GLOs.

Hi there, I'm in Alpha lane, which you seem to be swerving into right now. Before I shoot your tires out and drive around you, I'm just curious -- why do you think my fraternity hasn't "taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore?"

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Hi there, I'm in Alpha lane, which you seem to be swerving into right now. Before I shoot your tires out and drive around you, I'm just curious -- why do you think my fraternity hasn't "taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore?"

Oh Lawd, it's on now. (getting some popcorn)

ETA: I know he doesn't think the white fraternities don't haze. Don't get me started on their "fertility rituals" I've heard about!

[PhDiva]

Originally Posted by pinkies up

ETA: I know he doesn't think the white fraternities don't haze. Don't get me started on their "fertility rituals" I've heard about!

LOL...I'm saying SisterGreek

I remember hearing about the nekkid beach runs with bananas tucked between pledges butt cheeks and the last two had to eat the banana from each other. Yep, white frats don't haze.

[AOE2AlphaPhi]

I know I'm new to the boards, but shouldn't this be in risk management? If not, can someone PM me and say why?

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by AOE2AlphaPhi

I know I'm new to the boards, but shouldn't this be in risk management? If not, can someone PM me and say why?

Good point. Maybe a mod hasn't been around to move it yet.

[KyleMcGuire1983]

Originally Posted by pinkies up

Oh Lawd, it's on now. (getting some popcorn)

ETA: I know he doesn't think the white fraternities don't haze. Don't get me started on their "fertility rituals" I've heard about!

Well I've never heard of Fertility Rituals but I have heard of all kinds of hazing on the part of NIC fraternities.....I just rarely hear about them physically beating pledges....it's usually something like drinking them to death or humiliating them (which isn't better really) all I know is that you've gotta be one dumbass punk to let a bunch of 20 year olds torture you for one or two semesters just to get initiated.

Sorry if I've lighted a gas soaked rag on this thread but hazing drives me nuts and I have no respect for people that partake in it as "character" building. Unlike most people on this forum I've had the advantage of going through hazing and non-hazing pledge programs by going through a local non-greek "Society" and a national greek fraternity founded against hazing. It should be pretty obvious which organization I pride myself on and which I don't even talk about anymore.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983

Well I've never heard of Fertility Rituals but I have heard of all kinds of hazing on the part of NIC fraternities.....I just rarely hear about them physically beating pledges....it's usually something like drinking them to death or humiliating them (which isn't better really) all I know is that you've gotta be one dumbass punk to let a bunch of 20 year olds torture you for one or two semesters just to get initiated.

So what is your point, really?

There is no dignity or pride in being "forced" to drink alcohol to the point where you can cause serious harm to yourself or die. A person who is injured or killed through alcohol is no less of a dumbass punk than the one hurt or killed through beatings.

[KyleMcGuire1983]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Hi there, I'm in Alpha lane, which you seem to be swerving into right now. Before I shoot your tires out and drive around you, I'm just curious -- why do you think my fraternity hasn't "taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore?"

Because I think there's a real image problem here man. All four of my school's councils went on a retreat together and after playing the stereotype game (yes it's a real game we play, and apparently NIC fraternities are all snobby white date rapists) the elephant in the room was NPHC and their notorious hazing methods (severe beatings, etc).

Now I guess you could take the easy road and pin me as a racist, but you have to admit that there is a hardcore element of physical hazing impressed on the NPHC culture.

Some things remain the same: The "white" NIC houses get busted having "Ghetto Parties" or they force a pledge to drink himself to death and the media goes nuts. The NPHC houses get busted beating the crap out of a pledge and he winds up in the hospital and the media goes nuts.

Now the APhiA thing.....it could be that there is a real epidemic here OR it could be that APhiA gets the most hazing stories because they're the largest BGLO.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983

Because I think there's a real image problem here man. All four of my school's councils went on a retreat together and after playing the stereotype game (yes it's a real game we play, and apparently NIC fraternities are all snobby white date rapists) the elephant in the room was NPHC and their notorious hazing methods (severe beatings, etc).

Now I guess you could take the easy road and pin me as a racist, but you have to admit that there is a hardcore element of physical hazing impressed on the NPHC culture.

Some things remain the same: The "white" NIC houses get busted having "Ghetto Parties" or they force a pledge to drink himself to death and the media goes nuts. The NPHC houses get busted beating the crap out of a pledge and he winds up in the hospital and the media goes nuts.

Now the APhiA thing.....it could be that there is a real epidemic here OR it could be that APhiA gets the most hazing stories because they're the largest BGLO.

YOU haven't answered my question. Nobody is calling you a racist. I do, however, think you need to stay in your lane on YOUR campus.

The difference between you and I is when a fraternity (or SEVERAL) have racist parties or drink a pledge to death, I still don't view it as an issue that your ENTIRE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION has failed to address. I view it as some members breaking the rules. I would expect that same courtesy from a fellow Greek.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983

Now the APhiA thing.....it could be that there is a real epidemic here OR it could be that APhiA gets the most hazing stories because they're the largest BGLO.

On your campus?