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PrettyBoy 04-07-2007 03:17 AM

More Hazing
 
There's been a lot of talk about hazing lately, and once again, publicity no GLO needs. This time the Alphas engaged in some suspicious hazing behavior.

http://www.ksbitv.com/home/6342592.html

Fraternity Pledges Severely Beaten

Tuesday, March 6, 2007; Posted: 5:37 p.m. (CDT)
Members of an Oklahoma State University fraternity could face some serious charges later this week. Stillwater police say six members of the Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity could be charged with assault and battery or hazing for accusations of paddling five pledging members.

Police say the five pledges received a series of beatings almost every day for three weeks.
"The paddling would be anywhere from one swat to several swats," says Lieutenant Mike Metcalf, with the Stillwater Police Department. "On one victim his buttocks was, the flesh was torn away down to the muscle."

Police say the beatings took place in an off-campus apartment. They say the pledges were supposed to learn the fraternities history. They would then be quizzed over what they had learned.

Metcalf says, "If they messed up on giving the answer they would be pulled out in front of the rest of the group. They would be told to stand in a certain position while the other members would take and hit them with paddles on the buttocks."

It's an incident that has OSU students in shock.
Lisa Osborn, a senior at OSU, says, "I think it's ridiculous and that it shouldn't be happening."
Amber Govan, an OSU senior says, "I thought hazing was completely and absolutely gone."

Conner Mahan, a freshman at OSU and member of a different fraternity, says, "A fraternity is supposed to be for people to bond together and I find it hard to believe that people can bond when they're being physically and mentally harmed from each other."
Govan says she is familiar with the Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity. She says the group is usually about community service.

Govan says, "They're all about helping people. I'm just kind of surprised."

Police seized several paddles from the apartment where the hazing took place.

As for the fraternity, the national office released this statement:
"We believe hazing does not accurately reflect the high ideals and principles on which we were founded. Under no circumstances does the fraternity ever condone it."
As for police they say this is one of the worst cases of hazing they've seen in quite a while.

Metcalf says, "It was a pretty gruesome site compared to what I've seen of other injuries."

Oklahoma State University has released this statement:

"We are addressing the incident through our student conduct committee, while cooperating fully with local law enforcement authorities."

The names of the suspects are not being released at this time. The Payne County District Attorney says he will likely file formal charges later this week. After charges are filed the suspects names will be released.

ladygreek 04-07-2007 08:49 AM

The OSU students were in shock???!!! That makes me laugh.

Uh PrettyBoy, considering your siggy you are hardly one to be posting about the hazing of another fraternity.

AKA_Monet 04-07-2007 08:10 PM

I have a question.

What is up with graduate chapter interests or prospectives never showing up to graduate chapter events? Like can they buy a ticket to our gala? How can we think to ask for members and they fail to work or attend our functions? How am I suppose to know what they really do when we are all about community service?

ladygreek 04-08-2007 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1425819)
I have a question.

What is up with graduate chapter interests or prospectives never showing up to graduate chapter events? Like can they buy a ticket to our gala? How can we think to ask for members and they fail to work or attend our functions? How am I suppose to know what they really do when we are all about community service?

I have often wondered that myself. Makes me crazy. ;)

banditone 04-08-2007 03:13 PM

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1908Revelations 04-08-2007 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1425819)
I have a question.

What is up with graduate chapter interests or prospectives never showing up to graduate chapter events? Like can they buy a ticket to our gala? How can we think to ask for members and they fail to work or attend our functions? How am I suppose to know what they really do when we are all about community service?

Those are good questions! I have a friend who is all about wanting to join another sorority on the graduate level, she asks if I know anybody and when events are. I tell her and she dosen't go. Crazy just crazy!

That is also a good hint, but many of the interest will not likely see the questions for what they are worth.

KyleMcGuire1983 04-08-2007 06:04 PM

this problem seems to be extremely severe in BGLOs. This is definitely NOT the first time I've heard of this happening with Alpha Phi Alpha pledges. I'm shocked that APhiA national has not taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore. This activity is the sort that gets an entire chapter shut down with most GLOs.

Senusret I 04-08-2007 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983 (Post 1426060)
this problem seems to be extremely severe in BGLOs. This is definitely NOT the first time I've heard of this happening with Alpha Phi Alpha pledges. I'm shocked that APhiA national has not taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore. This activity is the sort that gets an entire chapter shut down with most GLOs.

Hi there, I'm in Alpha lane, which you seem to be swerving into right now. Before I shoot your tires out and drive around you, I'm just curious -- why do you think my fraternity hasn't "taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore?"

pinkies up 04-08-2007 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1426064)
Hi there, I'm in Alpha lane, which you seem to be swerving into right now. Before I shoot your tires out and drive around you, I'm just curious -- why do you think my fraternity hasn't "taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore?"

Oh Lawd, it's on now. (getting some popcorn)

ETA: I know he doesn't think the white fraternities don't haze. Don't get me started on their "fertility rituals" I've heard about! :eek:

PhDiva 04-08-2007 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1426065)

ETA: I know he doesn't think the white fraternities don't haze. Don't get me started on their "fertility rituals" I've heard about! :eek:

LOL...I'm saying SisterGreek :p

I remember hearing about the nekkid beach runs with bananas tucked between pledges butt cheeks and the last two had to eat the banana from each other. Yep, white frats don't haze. ;)

ladygreek 04-08-2007 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983 (Post 1426060)
this problem seems to be extremely severe in BGLOs. This is definitely NOT the first time I've heard of this happening with Alpha Phi Alpha pledges. I'm shocked that APhiA national has not taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore. This activity is the sort that gets an entire chapter shut down with most GLOs.

You sound as if you think these are sanctioned actuivities. All of the D9 orgs have policies and procedures in place to stop this. But if someone is bent on doing wrong, they will do it regardless.

And yes we suspend individuals and whole chapters. Heck we even expel individuals for life.

AOE2AlphaPhi 04-08-2007 11:31 PM

I know I'm new to the boards, but shouldn't this be in risk management? If not, can someone PM me and say why?

ladygreek 04-08-2007 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AOE2AlphaPhi (Post 1426248)
I know I'm new to the boards, but shouldn't this be in risk management? If not, can someone PM me and say why?

Good point. Maybe a mod hasn't been around to move it yet.

KyleMcGuire1983 04-09-2007 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1426064)
Hi there, I'm in Alpha lane, which you seem to be swerving into right now. Before I shoot your tires out and drive around you, I'm just curious -- why do you think my fraternity hasn't "taken more firm steps in ensuring this doesn't happen anymore?"

Because I think there's a real image problem here man. All four of my school's councils went on a retreat together and after playing the stereotype game (yes it's a real game we play, and apparently NIC fraternities are all snobby white date rapists) the elephant in the room was NPHC and their notorious hazing methods (severe beatings, etc).

Now I guess you could take the easy road and pin me as a racist, but you have to admit that there is a hardcore element of physical hazing impressed on the NPHC culture.

Some things remain the same: The "white" NIC houses get busted having "Ghetto Parties" or they force a pledge to drink himself to death and the media goes nuts. The NPHC houses get busted beating the crap out of a pledge and he winds up in the hospital and the media goes nuts.

Now the APhiA thing.....it could be that there is a real epidemic here OR it could be that APhiA gets the most hazing stories because they're the largest BGLO.

KyleMcGuire1983 04-09-2007 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pinkies up (Post 1426065)
Oh Lawd, it's on now. (getting some popcorn)

ETA: I know he doesn't think the white fraternities don't haze. Don't get me started on their "fertility rituals" I've heard about! :eek:

Well I've never heard of Fertility Rituals but I have heard of all kinds of hazing on the part of NIC fraternities.....I just rarely hear about them physically beating pledges....it's usually something like drinking them to death or humiliating them (which isn't better really) all I know is that you've gotta be one dumbass punk to let a bunch of 20 year olds torture you for one or two semesters just to get initiated.

Sorry if I've lighted a gas soaked rag on this thread but hazing drives me nuts and I have no respect for people that partake in it as "character" building. Unlike most people on this forum I've had the advantage of going through hazing and non-hazing pledge programs by going through a local non-greek "Society" and a national greek fraternity founded against hazing. It should be pretty obvious which organization I pride myself on and which I don't even talk about anymore.


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