The Term African American

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

What you are now saying in the above quote is a persons race is tied into the ignorance of other people? Well, that makes sense in a racist way.

Also, it looks like what you are saying is a persons race is not determined by he or she but by how other people/outsiders perceive them to be. Is that what you are also saying?

Other countries' and cultures' concepts of race are no more ignorant or racist than yours, they are simply different. The individual's concept of race is determined by the society through which s/he learned race (s/he is not an "outsider" if s/he is part of the society).

[AKA_Monet]

Well, actually, you do have both a SNP database and a hapmap that geographically designates populations of people. The point of this information is it is not individual--it is "population based". The genes themselves are not coding for anything, they are just EST's, non-coding regions, junk DNA, or RFLP's. It is the polymorphisms that are being compared from 1 million to 1 million, genome wide and cM or entire chromosome comparisons.

For instances, as I understand it, at the 21 chromosome the break to form 3 chromosomes is not ALWAYS in the same place for every child that has Down's. Most of the time it is. But it is that inherited changes that actually does not cause mutations in the parent, eventually getting to the child. Or the mutations are epigenetic which is begininng to modulate genes different from our understanding.

No, Homo sapiens sapiens are not genetically different, meaning all our genes are in the same place and where they should be. But we have high variation on how our genes are "spelled". And the similarities vs. the differences are being compared on an evolutionary level.

We are finding that the more different a genome is from another the older the group is in the population that shares similarities with those in Africa. Like they just found this guy who is related to Genghis Khan genome... They did a Y-chromosome spread.

For women, they do a mitochondrial spread.

I was going to send off my DNA to be sequenced and see what I could find... It's about $200+

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Well, actually, you do have both a SNP database and a hapmap that geographically designates populations of people. The point of this information is it is not individual--it is "population based". The genes themselves are not coding for anything, they are just EST's, non-coding regions, junk DNA, or RFLP's. It is the polymorphisms that are being compared from 1 million to 1 million, genome wide and cM or entire chromosome comparisons.

For instances, as I understand it, at the 21 chromosome the break to form 3 chromosomes is not ALWAYS in the same place for every child that has Down's. Most of the time it is. But it is that inherited changes that actually does not cause mutations in the parent, eventually getting to the child. Or the mutations are epigenetic which is begininng to modulate genes different from our understanding.

No, Homo sapiens sapiens are not genetically different, meaning all our genes are in the same place and where they should be. But we have high variation on how our genes are "spelled". And the similarities vs. the differences are being compared on an evolutionary level.

We are finding that the more different a genome is from another the older the group is in the population that shares similarities with those in Africa. Like they just found this guy who is related to Genghis Khan genome... They did a Y-chromosome spread.

For women, they do a mitochondrial spread.

I was going to send off my DNA to be sequenced and see what I could find... It's about $200+

I'm so far away from the basic genetics lessons taught in Freshman Bio, but amazingly I understood this, thanks a bunch. I've considered getting tested myself. Since you seem to have a much better understanding of the actual science of it, is there a center you would recommend?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

I'm so far away from the basic genetics lessons taught in Freshman Bio, but amazingly I understood this, thanks a bunch. I've considered getting tested myself. Since you seem to have a much better understanding of the actual science of it, is there a center you would recommend?

My boss just recommended one and I forgot what it was. He said he sent his off for ~$150. I think it is inside mouth swabs or "buccal cells".

The irony is more an more women are being found to be chimeras. I dunno if they found male chimeras? Chimeras are one part of a persons body codes for one set of genes, whereas another part, mainly the reproductive system, codes for another set of genes. So like your kids are not genetically related to you if they take your hair or mouth swab DNA. But if they take your internal organ DNA, i.e. you thyroid or uterine, the researcher find the relationship.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I was going to send off my DNA to be sequenced and see what I could find... It's about $200+

Which place were you going to send it to?

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by laylo

Other countries' and cultures' concepts of race are no more ignorant or racist than yours, they are simply different. The individual's concept of race is determined by the society through which s/he learned race (s/he is not an "outsider" if s/he is part of the society).

Yes, this is what I meant

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

Other countries' and cultures' concepts of race are no more ignorant or racist than yours, they are simply different.

This is the truth, we are all ignorant to some degree but that wasn't the point.

Originally Posted by laylo

The individual's concept of race is determined by the society through which s/he learned race (s/he is not an "outsider" if s/he is part of the society

I don't agree with this, I can't even agree that a part of what you said in the above quote has any type of validity.

I am a part of the American society, I am told that I am Black, African American, Colored and Negro, What will my society call me next? What you say in the above is, according to you.... My concept of race is determined by the society which I learned race, right? The people who labeled me the above names, they are not outsiders, they are right here in my society, so you tell me, which one of the titles should I accept or should I accept any of them?

Again, I don't agree that the people which live in your society are the ones who determined which race you are. Also, I am not a sponge so I don't go around letting people push onto me who I am. My individual concept is that I am African Origin and Afrcian decent, that's it and that's all.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

I am a part of the American society, I am told that I am Black, African American, Colored and Negro, What will my society call me next? What you say in the above is, according to you.... My concept of race is determined by the society which I learned race, right? The people who labeled me the above names, they are not outsiders, they are right here in my society, so you tell me, which one of the titles should I accept or should I accept any of them?

Again, I don't agree that the people which live in your society are the ones who determined which race you are. Also, I am not a sponge so I don't go around letting people push onto me who I am. My individual concept is that I am African Origin and Afrcian decent, that's it and that's all.

Black, African-American, Colored, and Negro are all different titles for the same concept. I and other posters were referring to concepts, not names. We are talking about the basic ways in which people understand racial categories and the fact that such things as racial categories were invented. As much as you want to take credit for your Uhuru philosophy, it is not individual. It is based on the placing of people of detectable African descent into one category together, which you learned at a young age. All humans are socialized, and that doesn't make you less of an independent thinker.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

Black, African-American, Colored, and Negro are all different titles for the same concept. I and other posters were referring to concepts, not names. We are talking about the basic ways in which people understand racial categories and the fact that such things as racial categories were invented. As much as you want to take credit for your Uhuru philosophy, it is not individual. It is based on the placing of people of detectable African descent into one category together, which you learned at a young age. All humans are socialized, and that doesn't make you less of an independent thinker.

My Uhuru philosophy? Some of you people in here really have a lot of nerve. This Greek stuff has really gotten to you colored people. Or would you prefer Negro?

By the way, are you an independent thinker? You seem to be hell bent on taking away from me my ability to think for my self, yet you push what you have been taught and not what you perceive from an individual basis.


All that you have spat here in this topic, is what you accept, I don't have to accept what you accept. You can believe all you want that the people around you get to title you but I don't have to believe what you believe. All that you learn in school is stolen and plagiarized philosophy. Originally, it was the rich who could afford to invest in their philosophy and create universities which would expand their philosophy out of others. I said that to say this, it was an individual alone who is responsible for what you know and what you have accepted to be the truth. That type of education no doubt, has it perks but one needs to also generate ones own ideals from with in.

If I was able to finance and promote my as you say, "Uhuru philosophy", all that you believe in right now would be challeneged. As I am sure I am not the only one who does not follow what you yourself has chosen to accept.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

My Uhuru philosophy? Some of you people in here really have a lot of nerve. This Greek stuff has really gotten to you colored people. Or would you prefer Negro?

By the way, are you an independent thinker? You seem to be hell bent on taking away from me my ability to think for my self, yet you push what you have been taught and not what you perceive from an individual basis.


All that you have spat here in this topic, is what you accept, I don't have to accept what you accept. You can believe all you want that the people around you get to title you but I don't have to believe what you believe. All that you learn in school is stolen and plagiarized philosophy. Originally, it was the rich who could afford to invest in their philosophy and create universities which would expand their philosophy out of others. I said that to say this, it was an individual alone who is responsible for what you know and what you have accepted to be the truth. That type of education no doubt, has it perks but one needs to also generate ones own ideals from with in.

If I was able to finance and promote my as you say, "Uhuru philosophy", all that you believe in right now would be challeneged. As I am sure I am not the only one who does not follow what you yourself has chosen to accept.

Sista, the hostility is completely unnecessary. This is a dialogue. When I disagree with you I state why, and vice versa. Debate is presenting opposing arguments, and I presented mine which opposes yours. No one is personally attacking you.

ETA: I don't know why you were offended by my calling your philospohy "Uhuru," but I did so because of an organization called Uhuru which promotes a view similar to yours. If you had referred to my ideas as a "Graves philosophy" I would have thought it displayed education, not nerve.

[AKA_Monet]

Sista,

You are simply stating that we never had a choice in the matter, that I stated about 6 pages ago.

We have been involved in this "society" for roughly ~150 years since "emancipation". What more do we expect? We are lucky we get referred to by our names. Much less than what they use to call us... And some folks want to refer to us just as numbers--or "Pickaninny" or "Buck"... That's a good name...

[Sista]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Sista,

You are simply stating that we never had a choice in the matter, that I stated about 6 pages ago.

We have been involved in this "society" for roughly ~150 years since "emancipation". What more do we expect? We are lucky we get referred to by our names. Much less than what they use to call us... And some folks want to refer to us just as numbers--or "Pickaninny" or "Buck"... That's a good name...

Oh my God! I had forgotten about those names when I was naming my list of names we blacks in America have been referred to. I knew I had forgotten something but wasn't quite sure. Well, can you blame me?


Any way, how are you? My dear sister.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

Sista, the hostility is completely unnecessary. This is a dialogue. When I disagree with you I state why, and vice versa. Debate is presenting opposing arguments, and I presented mine which opposes yours. No one is personally attacking you.

Hostility? I didn't know that informing you that your acceptance of letting people title you does not apply to me was hostility?

Originally Posted by laylo

ETA: I don't know why you were offended by my calling your philospohy "Uhuru," but I did so because of an organization called Uhuru which promotes a view similar to yours. If you had referred to my ideas as a "Graves philosophy" I would have thought it displayed education, not nerve.

I don't like how you talked condescending when you said
"your, Uhuru Philosophy."

Also, I don't need you to tell me what Uhuru is, I live up the street from a Uhuru house and I know some of the members.

You can try and pretend as though you were not down talking me or Uhuru when you said what you said but I know better. If you were not insulting me or Uhuru philosophy, you would not have indirectly compared Uhuru philosophy to the philosophy of Social construction and then labeled my thinking as Uhuru philosophy. I guess I wasn't supposed to be sharp enough to realize what you were actually saying.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

Hostility? I didn't know that informing you that your acceptance of letting people title you does not apply to me was hostility?

No, I think "Some of you people in here really have a lot of nerve. This Greek stuff has really gotten to you colored people. Or would you prefer Negro?" displayed hostility. And as I said before, I wasn't talking about titles, I was talking about concepts of race.

Originally Posted by Sista

If you were not insulting me or Uhuru philosophy, you would not have indirectly compared Uhuru philosophy to the philosophy of Social construction and then labeled my thinking as Uhuru philosophy.

I don't see comparing your view to other views as insulting and I truly don't understand how you do. Just another example of how we see things differently. Furthermore I never even disagreed with the philosphy I likened to Uhuru, I simply argued that it was based on social constructs.

Originally Posted by Sista

I guess I wasn't supposed to be sharp enough to realize what you were actually saying.

It didn't seem to me that you understood what I meant since you took it as an insult when it was not. I explained myself to remedy the conflict between what you recieved and what I meant.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by Sista

My Uhuru philosophy? Some of you people in here really have a lot of nerve. This Greek stuff has really gotten to you colored people. Or would you prefer Negro?

If you don't like Greeks, then why are you here? I just really don't understand what the heck you are doing on this message board ...