South vs. North?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You might want to read up on Robert E. Lee a little more -- he went to West Point and was stationed in Ohio, Missouri, Iowa and New York, among other places. In the early stages of the Civil War, he considered the succession of the Southern states to be betrayal of principles on which this country was built. He was asked to take a command in the Union Army, which he said he would do as long as Virginia did not secede. Because he considered his primary loyalty to be to Virginia, when it was clear that Virginia would secede, and only then, did he resign his commission in the US Army.

... He didn't say anything incorrect. I'm not real sure why he should "read up on him." Most southerners know waaay too much about him, and always have some sort of bloodline to him.

Southern fashion is influenced by the Gulf. That's simple. I was talking with one of the brothers and he use to competitively yacht down in Houston. He gets so pissed when he sees Sperry's, Croakies and so on because he knows they don't yacht, because I mean we live in Arkansas, which is what they're used for. I'm in the Gulf 2 months out of the year and it's necessary to wear Sperry's and croakies so my glasses don't fall off.

[shinerbock]

Yall are being idiotic. Nobody said these are "southern" things. What is true, however, is that they're popular among the greek communities at the major southern universities. While I'm sure there are similar styles among NE greeks, but for the most part in the "north" (mid atlantic through northern midwest), those styles aren't as popular among our age group.

Its like this, at many northern universities, going to a party in pfg's, sperry's, a bb shirt and croakies is going to make you stick out. If you go to a bar at a big southern university wearing black pants, a vert-striped shirt with a spread color and your hair gelled, you're going to stick out.

This topic has been beaten up, but the original poster had it pretty right, with the caveat that not everyone in the north is anti-sperry, brooks brothers, etc. If you go to a popular bar around Emory, I'm sure it'll be stocked up with hair gel. Basically, what is common among the 30+ professional crowd up north is popular among the 20+ crowd in the south. Just as that makes us boring old men up north, it makes you a douche down south.

[ChildoftheHorn]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Yall are being idiotic......

Its like this, at many northern universities, going to a party in pfg's, sperry's, a bb shirt and croakies is going to make you stick out. If you go to a bar at a big southern university wearing black pants, a vert-striped shirt with a spread color and your hair gelled, you're going to stick out......

Just as that makes us boring old men up north, it makes you a douche down south.

I love how you had to assert your southerness with starting out with "Yall".

By the way if you are in a Northern bar and wear that, you are a douche either way. (I hope no one in this conversation wears that.)

I will give you the croakies, but just remember that we hardly get enough sun here to make it worth it. The only places where it works is when you are out boating on Lake Mich. or on the beach. It is not everyday wear here.

You will not stick out here wearing top-siders and a brooks brothers shirt at all! Loafers are pretty standard attire where I go to school and guys wear a lot of collars. Polo and Ralph Lauren are more popular as shirts of choice.

PFG depends on what you wear......just like it does anywhere you go.

I think that if you have actually spent time in more than just your region on the US, you would see that it is true. I have family who are professors in EVERY region of the US and when we go to visit them, we go to the university. It is not the fashions that will distinguish you by regions, its your accents and ideals. I admit that I have different ideals than someone from NYC and a much different accent. If I went there or they came here, they wouldn't really look out of place and visa versa.

No area is defined by one state and no person is either!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by ChildoftheHorn

I love how you had to assert your southerness with starting out with "Yall".

Heads up - shinerbock doesn't need to use y'all to assert his Southernness. And for what it is worth, his use of y'all is not only correct but common to Southern speech. And y'all would know that if y'all were Southern.

ETA: Welcome to Greek Chat.

[ChildoftheHorn]

It just seemed more than a little overstated by starting his statement like that. He didn't need to, but he did it to make sure that everyone knew he was.

Half my relatives live south of the MD line (Georgia, etc.), I do know the correct use of y'all.

FYI: Y'all is also used all over the Midwest......

*PFG depends on the style......and what time of year.....where you are (suburbs, city, beach, etc.)....just like any other piece of clothing.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by ChildoftheHorn

FYI: Y'all is also used all over the Midwest......

NO.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

NO.

In many states that are Midwestern, but border on the South, the southern part of the state often identifies and uses 'southern' terms. Southern Missouri and southern Illinois are prime examples. You will constantly hear "Y'all". Many of the people in these areas move to the St. Louis area (where ChildoftheHorn is from). They carry the terms with them. My family live in St. Charles, Mo for a while when I was a kid. My sister, in the 1st grade, was almost sent to speech therapy because the school was concerned with how she was talking. Luckily, one of the teacher aides lived next door to my family. When she heard Cindi was being considered for speech therapy, Mrs. P said: "She doesn't need speech therapy! She's from southern Missouri, they all talk like that!"

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by ChildoftheHorn

*PFG depends on the style......and what time of year.....where you are (suburbs, city, beach, etc.)....just like any other piece of clothing.

haha.....no.....it doesn't.....and I don't even know what you are talking about. What time of year? PFG just means Performance Fishing Gear. Styles of PFG are Bonehead, Bahama II, etc. There are also PFG shorts. Quit arguing. It doesn't make a difference whether you are wearing one on the Gulf Coast or in Kentucky.....its still a PFG.

Columbia PFG:

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by ChildoftheHorn

It just seemed more than a little overstated by starting his statement like that. He didn't need to, but he did it to make sure that everyone knew he was.

With all due respect, I'm not following what you are saying. Why you feel "he didn't need to..."?

Sure, maybe "he didn't need to" start off his statement with y'all. But my guess is that it came natural to him. And as a Southerner, I can attest that starting a sentence with y'all is not overstating anything. It is very common for Southerners to do so naturally. It is our way of speech.

[ChildoftheHorn]

It just seemed a little contrived because it didn't flow quite right. Whenever you use some part of speech, it has a certain flow to it. It is kind of like how I would never use the sentence " This Twinkie is Divine " because it does not flow correctly. If I ate Twinkies, I would describe them as being "tasty" or "good". It is the same sort of thing.

I admit though, that my speech is only in its currect state because of etiquette classes at the insistance of my grandmother (yay DAR and junior league?) and private school when I was in elementary.

There has got to be someone else here who has lived in southern areas and northern ones!

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by ChildoftheHorn

I love how you had to assert your southerness with starting out with "Yall".

By the way if you are in a Northern bar and wear that, you are a douche either way. (I hope no one in this conversation wears that.)

I will give you the croakies, but just remember that we hardly get enough sun here to make it worth it. The only places where it works is when you are out boating on Lake Mich. or on the beach. It is not everyday wear here.

You will not stick out here wearing top-siders and a brooks brothers shirt at all! Loafers are pretty standard attire where I go to school and guys wear a lot of collars. Polo and Ralph Lauren are more popular as shirts of choice.

PFG depends on what you wear......just like it does anywhere you go.

I think that if you have actually spent time in more than just your region on the US, you would see that it is true. I have family who are professors in EVERY region of the US and when we go to visit them, we go to the university. It is not the fashions that will distinguish you by regions, its your accents and ideals. I admit that I have different ideals than someone from NYC and a much different accent. If I went there or they came here, they wouldn't really look out of place and visa versa.

No area is defined by one state and no person is either!

I love how you think he is "asserting his Southerness" by using a word that is perfectly normal down here in everyday speech.

What do you mean "PFG depends on what you wear"? PFG is a brand of fishing shirt by Columbia.

I have a feeling that Shinerbock has spent plenty of time outside of the South.....as have I.....and disagree with what you have said quite a bit.

[DSTCHAOS]

I never thought of "ya'll" as southern so much as it is short for "you all." I've heard it in some form in every region of this country. It's the accent that makes the difference.

LOL @ "ya'll" being dissected and expounded upon as if it's integral to anything.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It's the accent that makes the difference.

Exactly - someone from Milwaukee could say "y'all", but it's just not the same as say, someone from Greenville, SC.