Dilema

[PeppyGPhiB]

Whether chapter advisors help probably varies from chapter to chapter. My chapter's advisors were crucial to our success as a new chapter...there's no way we would've known the right way to do things without their help.

Also, what RU said about fighting a fraternity? Never happened on my campus (that I knew of), and sounds more like gang warfare to me. Do you really want to associate yourselves with that kind of behavior either? Winning things is important, yes, but I'd limit it to the stuff that greeks usually brag about...chapter of the year, grades, intramurals, greek week, spring sing/songfest, sorority philanthropies, etc. You want members that are honorable, not thugs.

[Tom Earp]

I am sure that many Chapters of Many GLOs have had gays in them whether they want to admit it or not!

I am sure Your HQ and Chapters have standards of which have to be followed.

This is not meaning ethniticity, religious, or other regulations about sexual preference.

If a new possible does not fit what is being looked for by your Chapter, then they will not be given a bid and accepted.

Chapter Advisors are there to give guidence, so you may want to have them involved for feed back. It is a tough choice, but it is yours and the chapters.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Also, what RU said about fighting a fraternity? Never happened on my campus (that I knew of), and sounds more like gang warfare to me. Do you really want to associate yourselves with that kind of behavior either? Winning things is important, yes, but I'd limit it to the stuff that greeks usually brag about...chapter of the year, grades, intramurals, greek week, spring sing/songfest, sorority philanthropies, etc. You want members that are honorable, not thugs.

I don't think he meant a full-out Sharks vs Jets throwdown.

What he is referring to is another fraternity might 1) have problems with the fact that some members are gay 2) have problems with any new fraternity, period, and try to start a fight. Guys do this. Hopefully it'll end at words. It has nothing to do with being "thugs."

[LaneSig]

It may be a non-issue at Northern Arizona. A member of Sigma Chi was elected the campus government president a few years ago. He was openly gay, a fact that the Sigma Chi chapter knew when they offered him the bid. The member appeared on the cover of a national gay magazine, The Advocate. He talked about several chapters at NAU having openly gay members.

[adpiucf]

You can always have the chapter leadership bring this up and adopt into your chapter bylaws:

Two gay or bisexual brothers may not date one another while they are collegiate members of the fraternity. Brothers may not date the sweetheart of the fraternity.

Just put it in writing and put it to a vote with the reasoning that while the fraternity is opening and accepting of all lifestyles, romantic relationships complicate the brotherhood no matter the orientation within the relationship. Use the analogy of dating in the workplace. You don't want to make the chapter an awkward experience or divide the chapter in the midst of a lover's quarrel. The guys should be reasonable enough to see this and you are on a big enough campus where there are others they can date. Or if being together is so important to them, one will leave the fraternity. It is a completely fair expectation.

[schiller75]

These are all very good suggestions. And I do agree that fighting another fraternity is not the way to go. We almost got in a bit of a brawl with the KA's during an intramural soccer game last semester and I still feel the tension that it has caused. I like to think that we have a better head on our shoulders than one of a immature juvenile. I for one, being a former soldier know the true aspects of brotherhood and comradely and try to instill the lessons that I have learned in the combat zone to all of my brothers in the fraternity and throughout the Greek system in general. Fighting is not the way to go and more often leads to more serious problems. Stand by your brothers and lend the helping hand to all who seek it.

[yeahfrat]

It's this kind of attitude that warrants the lack of respects for new fraternities. You can't just go around asking for respect. You have to take it by kicking a** and taking names. If youre really interested in making it into a top tier organization you can do one of two things:

1. Pay a bunch of face dudes to walk around and recruit other face dudes.

2. Walk into every bar on campus and just kick everyone's face in until they start showing you some respect. If you are not strong, consider employing some meat sticks at your local gym.

Hope this helps!

Mitch

[cheerfulgreek]

I wonder if they knew he was gay before he joined?