UCF Sig Ep suspended

[Ocalagirl]

Originally Posted by jessXIca

Sororities at UCF (10)
Kappa Kappa Gamma
Alpha Delta Pi
Kappa Delta
Pi Beta Phi
Alpha Epsilon Phi
Tri Delta
Kappa Alpha Theta
Alpha Xi Delta
Chi Omega
Zeta Tau Alpha

What happened to Delta Gamma? I know they did not participate in Formal Recruitment this year, but are they totally off campus? I thought they were still around trying to re-organize their current chapter and be able to recruit this semester or something like that. I hope they do not completely go off campus since they have been there for so long.

Originally Posted by Ocalagirl

What happened to Delta Gamma? I know they did not participate in Formal Recruitment this year, but are they totally off campus? I thought they were still around trying to re-organize their current chapter and be able to recruit this semester or something like that. I hope they do not completely go off campus since they have been there for so long.

According to this, the DG chapter at UCF closed on December 10, 2006.

[adpiucf]

The DG chapter members themselves made the decision to close. The good news is that since they were not closed by their nationals, there would be a more immediate opportunity for recolonization when UCF conducts future sorority expansion. DG is a great sorority, and I'm sure I speak for many UCF alumni and students when I say that I look forward to their return.

Bummer about Pi Kapp. I was a student when they colonized. They were really good guys back then. Hope they come to their senses and can come back.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by jessXIca

Suspended fraternities (could potentially come back soon)
Pi Kappa Phi
Sigma Phi Epsilon

Kicked off campus
Sigma Alpha Epsilon

Originally Posted by adpiucf

(Add to kicked off campus: Pi Kappa Alpha)

What is the difference between "Suspended" and "Kicked off"?

According to a press release posted on Sigma Alpha Epsilon's IHQ web site:

"The chapter’s charter will remain suspended, not revoked, for an indefinite period of time. Depending on what university officials decide, Sigma Alpha Epsilon may choose to return with a new group of students in several years."

[Drolefille]

Perhaps it is the indefinate time period vs a specific one (such as four years or so?)

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Perhaps it is the indefinate time period vs a specific one (such as four years or so?)

Perhaps.

Frankly, "suspended" and "kicked off" are the same thing. As such, why is it necessary to make a distinction in the list above (i.e. two chapters were "suspended", one "kicked off" and add this chapter to "kicked off") if both end results are similar?

Originally Posted by TSteven

Perhaps.

Frankly, "suspended" and "kicked off" are the same thing. As such, why is it necessary to make a distinction in the list above (i.e. two chapters were "suspended", one "kicked off" and add this chapter to "kicked off") if both end results are similar?

I have to disagree.

When I hear "suspended" I think of "they're gone but they're allowed to come back later".

When I hear "kicked off" I think "they're gone and most likely won't come back".

[boz130]

FWIW, chapters can be suspended by acclimation of their own alumni. It happened w/Lambda Chi @ Northwestern.

Back in 1996, they were down to 12 men & had a number of boarders (some of the football players lived there @ the time). Since the University owns the houses, the alumni board wasn't getting enough rent $$$ to pay the bills.

The alums made a decision to suspend operations and came back to campus in 1998. During the downtime, the chapter house was converted into a women's dorm.

When they returned, LCA's expansion team helped them to recruit candidates. The "Founding Fathers-Part II" did a great job of rushing on their own after that--they got to 40 members & surpassed all-men's GPA in just 18 months.

Just last summer, they won LCA's highest chapter honor: the Grand High Alpha award. Quite a far cry from the dark days of 12 guys & the Wildcat offensive line living @ the house.

If the DG alumnae & UCF's Greek Affairs office felt it was in their best interest to go dark, they may have had a good reason...

Interfraternally,
BF

[XiLove_Epsilon]

I think that it is completely sad that fraternities are getting kicked off campuses nation wide. In fact, I think it's pathetic. I realize that there are some things that go too far, but some things are just tradition. We just had a chapter get in trouble with their nationals for having their pledges go and retrieve composites from each fraternity. They were split into groups and this has been tradition for as far back as anyone can remember...things like this is just fun, tradition, and should be left alone by nationals and the media alike. I realize that getting your pledges unbelievably drunk is not the best idea, but sometimes (if no one is getting truely hurt), you've just got to leave well enough alone. Greeks are an exclusive part of universities for a reason.

[strubbe]

Originally Posted by XiLove_Epsilon

I think that it is completely sad that fraternities are getting kicked off campuses nation wide. In fact, I think it's pathetic. I realize that there are some things that go too far, but some things are just tradition. We just had a chapter get in trouble with their nationals for having their pledges go and retrieve composites from each fraternity. They were split into groups and this has been tradition for as far back as anyone can remember...things like this is just fun, tradition, and should be left alone by nationals and the media alike. I realize that getting your pledges unbelievably drunk is not the best idea, but sometimes (if no one is getting truely hurt), you've just got to leave well enough alone. Greeks are an exclusive part of universities for a reason.

Have you bothered to read some of the crap that has been going on? Organizations get kicked off for a reason. Hazing is illegal, and for good reason. The HQ of these organizations are finally coming to their senses and are trying to put a stop to it, not only to save face, but to potentially save the lives of the young men/women looking to join their organizations. I agree that some acts are harmless in nature, but who's to say that breaking into another organization's house to take composites won't lead into something more serious?

Just my opinion.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by XiLove_Epsilon

We just had a chapter get in trouble with their nationals for having their pledges go and retrieve composites from each fraternity. They were split into groups and this has been tradition for as far back as anyone can remember...things like this is just fun, tradition, and should be left alone by nationals and the media alike. I realize that getting your pledges unbelievably drunk is not the best idea, but sometimes (if no one is getting truely hurt), you've just got to leave well enough alone. Greeks are an exclusive part of universities for a reason.

First of all, the pledges were committing theft and vandalism by taking the composites. That is a crime. If organizations are now beginning to recognize that is unacceptable for the supposed elite of the university to commit breaking and entering, then I applaud their efforts to control crime. Because even though it is a tradition, that doesn't make it right or acceptable. Genital mutilation of young women is a long-held tradition in some parts of Africa that is sanctioned by those parts of Africa and respected village elders; does this mean it is right? I realize that theft and mutilation are not the same, but you invoked the name of "tradition."

"If no one is truly getting hurt"-- people are actually getting hurt and we must draw the line somewhere. If Greeks truly embody the best of campus scholarship, leadership and potential, then we must begin to hold ourselves to a higher standard and conduct ourselves as role models, not anarchists who don't hold with the laws and policies of our governing organizations, universities and local/state/federal laws.

Hazing hurts. People get hurt. People die. People get scarred for life, emotionally, physically, even financially. Hazing effects the hazers, the hazed, and their familes. It may start off innocently, but things have a tendency to go wrong very quickly. Hazing interrupts lives, and can go on to have major effects-- do you want to be sued and have your future wages garnished because one of your new members tripped and crippled herself in your harmless blindfolding game and chose to retaliate? It happens and this is one way hazing can affect you, even if you were not directly involved. We may live in a PC, lawsuit happy society, but that can't really be changed. So rather complain about being PC, why not make the best of it and create new traditions that are legal, safe and satisfy everyone's needs?

Alcohol isn't the only killer-- a freshman fraternity pledge died from an overdose of WATER not too long ago. Yes, that's right. He died from water intoxication. I'm sure it sounded like a fun idea and safe to the brothers who thought of it. They're serving jail sentences now and the young man's family and friends will never be the same. There was serious talk of closing the school's Greek System. Not such a great idea after all. Think about that the next time you dress your pledges up in fairy wings, have them drink mystery concoctions, send them on "quests," or require anything of them that hasn't been approved in your new member education plans. You can still have fun, establish traditions and bonds and form memories, but there is a right and responsible way to do it. Act like adults and the community, media and your peers will treat you like adults, instead of coming in and closing you down because you decided to act like children... or worse yet, like common criminals.

Sorry you don't feel the same way. Your nationals has embraced this policy, but if you don't agree with your own sorority policies, you should really reconsider your oath and pledge to your organization.

[Pierce]

Originally Posted by XiLove_Epsilon

I think that it is completely sad that fraternities are getting kicked off campuses nation wide. In fact, I think it's pathetic. I realize that there are some things that go too far, but some things are just tradition. We just had a chapter get in trouble with their nationals for having their pledges go and retrieve composites from each fraternity. They were split into groups and this has been tradition for as far back as anyone can remember...things like this is just fun, tradition, and should be left alone by nationals and the media alike. I realize that getting your pledges unbelievably drunk is not the best idea, but sometimes (if no one is getting truely hurt), you've just got to leave well enough alone. Greeks are an exclusive part of universities for a reason.

The sad fact is people do get hurt and killed and we are in a society that sues for everything and everyone suffers. My chapter did not haze but they made the pledges do silly things. It was a small house they were very united and it was a lot of fun. Mind you, I became a member at age 35 as a graduate student. I am a risk management advisor now and i am lucky with the chapter I deal with, you have to be careful , stupidity makes everyone look bad, and you dont want to be asked questions you dont have answers for. In the 80's when i was an undergrad and you had hazing it was a real turn off. All frats were a turn off. They were obnoxious. i truly love my frat, (Sig Ep), and the chapter I deal with, people have their opinions but they are about what the frat was intended. they do well academically, get along, and there is no drama. We had a goofy phraise at a part time job i had once" its always funny til someone loses an eye" well this is true. Or a life or anything else. It is supposed to be fun and enhance the college experience and the life experience. That should be the focus. "Proud to be a sig ep"!

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

The DG chapter members themselves made the decision to close. The good news is that since they were not closed by their nationals, there would be a more immediate opportunity for recolonization when UCF conducts future sorority expansion.

Why does it make a difference whether the chapter decided to close or national made the decision? I'm guessing it closed because of numbers?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Why does it make a difference whether the chapter decided to close or national made the decision? I'm guessing it closed because of numbers?

Well, I know that our Sigma Chi chapter voted to close (they had $$$ issues) because apparently, they can come back sooner than if the national council would have voted to close it. This I guess is the same sort of thing.

Although, I would like to see if this is really true in practice or if it's just something the HQ tells them to get the matter over and done with. Sorry to sound like a bitch, but like I said, when I see this actually happening I'll believe it.

[Tom Earp]

If the chapter is warned by either The School or Their National and do not follow the rules of both, whose fault is it?