FDA poised to OK food from cloned animals

[AlphaFrog]

Can someone explain why cloning would be a more cost effective way of production then breeding?? It's not like in the cartoons where you put a full grown cow in the cloning machine and another full grown cow comes out, ready for slaughter. You still have to raise the thing from a baby calf, so what's the difference if that calf is cloned or if Bessie got her freak on with the steer next door? Why not let Bessie have her fun?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Can someone explain why cloning would be a more cost effective way of production then breeding?? It's not like in the cartoons where you put a full grown cow in the cloning machine and another full grown cow comes out, ready for slaughter. You still have to raise the thing from a baby calf, so what's the difference if that calf is cloned or if Bessie got her freak on with the steer next door? Why not let Bessie have her fun?

So there are several reasons why "cloning" is more cost effective of some kinds of production for foods:

Let's take your example of a cow. Calves take too long to wean. Unless you want veal, you MUST leave the calf with the mother.

As I understand it, it takes ~200+ days to have a calf or 10-11 months depend on size. Some strains of bovine do not breed as sucessfully as mixed breed.

Most mixed breed do not produce enough milk or quality of meat--i.e. too tough, etc.

Breeding takes too long. Sometime the stud doesn't impregnate the females. Sometimes he doesn't know where to put it. So, do you want to wait for production? Knowing the U.S. population's desire for a good steak or tenderloin?

Well, with molecular genetics the scientists, vets, physicians, big pharma, corporations, just move evolution a little faster than normal time...

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

So there are several reasons why "cloning" is more cost effective of some kinds of production for foods:

Let's take your example of a cow. Calves take too long to wean. Unless you want veal, you MUST leave the calf with the mother.

As I understand it, it takes ~200+ days to have a calf or 10-11 months depend on size. Some strains of bovine do not breed as sucessfully as mixed breed.

Most mixed breed do not produce enough milk or quality of meat--i.e. too tough, etc.

Breeding takes too long. Sometime the stud doesn't impregnate the females. Sometimes he doesn't know where to put it. So, do you want to wait for production? Knowing the U.S. population's desire for a good steak or tenderloin?

Well, with molecular genetics the scientists, vets, physicians, big pharma, corporations, just move evolution a little faster than normal time...

Um, so you know, clones are born just like normal calves and must grow up, get weaned, etc. They don't spring fully grown from a petri dish.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Um, so you know, clones are born just like normal calves and must grow up, get weaned, etc. They don't spring fully grown from a petri dish.

Considering that AKA_Monet has a PhD in the sciences (biochemistry?) I SERIOUSLY doubt that she needs you to explain to her that clones "don't spring fully grown from a petri dish".

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....

[Tom Earp]

Interesting to finally find out that Asprin is not a pain killer but a blood thinner only! WOW!

They why do people take asprin for pain and have for years before the new biggies came out.

What is amazing about the FDA is thier willingness to allow drugs and other products on the market. The FDA is one of the most inept Agencies in Our Govt.

What I love are Ads that tout certain medecations for certain things and then list what the hell they can do to the human body if you take them.

During the American Revolution troops were given rum to settle their nerves instead of drugs.

Interesting isn't it?

Which would you rather have?

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

Considering that AKA_Monet has a PhD in the sciences (biochemistry?) I SERIOUSLY doubt that she needs you to explain to her that clones "don't spring fully grown from a petri dish".

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....

Actually, Drole is correct. The cloned animals don't spring fully grown from a petri dish.

The way it is done is to transplant a nuceus from a cell from one animal into the enucleated egg of another. The nucleus-egg combination is then fused together with electricity. The electricity also stimulates cell division. The divided cell is placed into the uterus of the female. The animal grows in the uterus and is born as a baby animal.

Unfortunately, the obviously fictional movie, "The Island" has made people think mammal clones are produced fully developed. They are not.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Actually, Drole is correct. The cloned animals don't spring fully grown from a petri dish.

The way it is done is to transplant a nuceus from a cell from one animal into the enucleated egg of another. The nucleus-egg combination is then fused together with electricity. The electricity also stimulates cell division. The divided cell is placed into the uterus of the female. The animal grows in the uterus and is born as a baby animal.

Unfortunately, the obviously fictional movie, "The Island" has made people think mammal clones are produced fully developed. They are not.

OMG, you totally missed the point that I was making...Let me make it plain for you...

NO ONE SAID THAT DROLEFILE WAS WRONG. BUT SINCE AKA_MONET HAS A PHD, THERE WAS NO NEED FOR DROLEFILE TO BRING UP THE COMMENT ABOUT ANIMALS SPRINGING FROM A PETRI DISH FULLY GROWN. I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE MASTERED THAT CONCEPT IN GRADUATE SCHOOL.

AND THERE IS NO NEED TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW CLONING WORKS. I HAVE TWO DEGREES IN CHEMISTRY, I THINK I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT SCIENCE.

The above post only proves my point that folks only like to see their words on the screen....do you people even read before you just start posting?

[blueangel]

Jub-- I think Drole was responding to this comment by AKAMonet:

"The other thing is, to maintain the health of a cow is extremely costly. If that process can be sped up, then would you try it?"

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....

Best post in this entire thread.

[Drolefille]

While I have no personal knowledge of AKAMonet's educational background, I was simply responding to what I read in her post. She may indeed have just posted that for no other reason than to see the words on the screen, but those words are all I can reply to.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

While I have no personal knowledge of AKAMonet's educational background, I was simply responding to what I read in her post. She may indeed have just posted that for no other reason than to see the words on the screen, but those words are all I can reply to.

Where did she say that clones spring fully formed from a petri dish, or even imply it?

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

While I have no personal knowledge of AKAMonet's educational background, I was simply responding to what I read in her post. She may indeed have just posted that for no other reason than to see the words on the screen, but those words are all I can reply to.

In her previous post, she noted that she has cloned cells, mice and rats. Even if you didn't know her educational background, that should have been a clue that she understood this topic pretty well.

[AKA_Monet]

I find all of this quite comical..

Thanks Jubilance about my qualifications. I appreciate it. This discussion is not about who knows more it is about misrepresentation regarding facts clearly discussed by several professionals.

It is about supply and demand. The US will not have the meat supply as demand for beef products goes up. It's not just meat or milk. Serum's used, the bonemeal is used, the leather products are used. At least 10+ items are used from the animal. It takes several Federal Agencies to approved use for animal processing...

Actual "ELECTROPORATION" of Enucleated Zygotes with somatic DNA will give us a certain higher yield in the number of animals.

No one has clearly answered how many different strains of bovine species in the US not including bison and buffalo...

Jersey, Halstein [sp?], Brahma, Rowan, Kobe, Angus, etc.

That's just the short list...

It takes ~5000 steer per year are consumed for food in the US...

And that doesn't include the Veal we get from Hawaii off the Parker Ranch...

And most of our beef is beginning to get imported from Southeat Asia and South America just like the rest of our food.

Cloning is a way to boost our market share for rare meats and increase the premium. It is not cool as an overall practice, but we live in a capitalistic society and well...

Just price out tenderloins or filet mignons... And when is the last time $2 billion business for beef BBQ production can be told ANYTHING BUT NO?

Now you know why they are cloning animals...

[jubilance1922]

Because this needs to be reposted...

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I'm fully convinced that 90% of the active posters on GC do it solely to see their words on the screen. I really really hope you people don't actually believe in the crap that you post. If you do, then I'm genuinely concerned.....

[polosandpearls]

Dear blueangel,

Why are your “debates” so one-sided? You can’t seem to grasp the concept of a debate. You only read what you want to read and exclude everything else yet you get huffy when someone does the same to you. You also seem to think you're always right. Where's the logic?

I see a trend of you taking things as a personal attack and being a total hag to everyone; even if they are trying to help you. Turning everything into a personal attack against you is childish. You are a grown woman, please act like one.

I’m not a frequent poster here, but even I can see how nasty your attitude is towards everyone. Oh, and e-stalking was never cool…I think you missed that memo. You are a very shady person on here and I wonder why you still have an account on greekchat.com. I’m sure you will think this message is a personal attack to you, but in reality it’s just the honest truth.

For the love of your sorority, please stop being a hag.

Cordially,

polosandpearls