TKE at U of Alabama?

tallgreekalum · #1 12-05-2006, 12:53 PM

Alpha Delt was once a power in the south(UVA, Alabama, etc.), but the recent unpleasantness set us back a bit. We have recently begun a return, finding that the changing demographics of many southern schools has lead to a larger number of northern men attending the top schools in the south and not being courted by the traditional "old row" fraternities, to use the term here. We have also had some success approaching locals who have split from their nationals over some of the recent changes coming from national organizations(dry house, abolition of pledging, etc.). Our effort at W&L was not successful, but we have recently come on to Duke, working on a group at Vandy, and starting recruitment at Chapel Hill in the spring.

shinerbock · #2 12-05-2006, 03:16 PM

Well, as much as I hate the fact that northerners are coming to southern universities, you have a point. TKE originally got pretty good numbers at Auburn because of this. They bid a lot of people, and quickly got their numbers up. However, they catered to the non-old row types as you referred to, and thus have a poor reputation among greeks.

Tom Earp · #3 12-05-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well, as much as I hate the fact that northerners are coming to southern universities, you have a point. TKE originally got pretty good numbers at Auburn because of this. They bid a lot of people, and quickly got their numbers up. However, they catered to the non-old row types as you referred to, and thus have a poor reputation among greeks.

I am totally wonder still about the OLD Geeks and the Newer Greeks?

There is one life on Campus, Greeks.

Fight each other and see who loses. Da, We do. I may be wrong, but just stay tuned.

For all who feel they are immune to getting taken off of campus, just keep it up and see.

Alums may give a lot of money, but if they are embaresed with the Chapter, I am sure they would not mind cleaning house from the scum or dirt bags who defile Their/Your Fraterity.

It seems that some do not get out of thier littl campus and chapter area to see what is out in the big bad world of real life.

Self importance at times is underwhelming.

I would much rather be a live member of My Chapter looking from the inside out compared to those who have no chapter looking from the outside in.

Elephant Walk · #4 12-05-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I am totally wonder still about the OLD Geeks and the Newer Greeks?

There is one life on Campus, Greeks.

Fight each other and see who loses. Da, We do. I may be wrong, but just stay tuned.

No one is fighting each other, we are simply different. We take each others sides in everything. There is a difference between old row and new row. There is no "old" or "new" row on my campus, but there IS a noticeable difference between fraternities founded before say 1910 and fraternities founded after.

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For all who feel they are immune to getting taken off of campus, just keep it up and see.
Alums may give a lot of money, but if they are embaresed with the Chapter, I am sure they would not mind cleaning house from the scum or dirt bags who defile Their/Your Fraterity.

I wonder if most alumns are embarrassed with your spelling?
However, we do not allow "scum or dirtbags" in, and if we do make the mistake they are kicked out early in pledging (or for fun, right after hellweek). We clean our own house without need from alumns, because we are responsible.

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It seems that some do not get out of thier littl campus and chapter area to see what is out in the big bad world of real life.

Self importance at times is underwhelming.

I would much rather be a live member of My Chapter looking from the inside out compared to those who have no chapter looking from the outside in.

What does getting out in the real world have anything to do with chapter responsibility? Furthermore, who are you to say we haven't? Learn to spell and get back to me.

g41965 · #5 12-06-2006, 06:09 PM

All this talk about the old row got me to thinking about University of Alabama, my brother was a Sigma Nu at Alabama late 70's, we lived in Tuscaloosa right next to Indian Hills Country Club, my old man managed one of the biggest plants in town. Things do change guys, what about ATO, Phi Delt Kappa Sig all very good in the late 70's early 80's. Sig Ep went inactive in the mid 80's when their house burnt down. Chi Phi used to be good as well or so I've heard.
At UT Austin where I went to school same thing happened. Sigma Nu-founded 1887 was very good when I went there same for Pike-founded 1920, Beta -founded 1886. all are now gone or are much smaller. ATO was very good at SMU where I went to law school they've been gone for 11 years.
Bottom line, being old can make you good but the correlation is not 100% and things do change even in the tradition bound south.

shinerbock · #6 12-06-2006, 06:54 PM

Of course things will change. However, a non traditional fraternity on a traditional southern campus is still likely to struggle for quite a while.

banditone · #7 08-04-2007, 01:38 PM

n/m. i dont remember posting this.

HalfWindsor · #8 08-04-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Wow, thats funny.........me and Shinerbock's posts were deleted. Again, who cares, its TKE........at Alabama. Unless you are an Old Row or maybe maybe Theta Chi.........you are nothing........and never will be.

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Enjoy it. Please don't return.

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Yeah I'm kind of glad she's not here...The private school she refers to is New Jersey Tech, I'm pretty sure.

I'm on the same page as all of you. I'm a member of a top chapter at an SEC and come from a prominent southern family. I also support Fred Thompson. Unfortunately, I think we have a lot in common.

Although what you write is usually true, some of it is entirely inappropriate and very crude.
I hate the yankees coming down here and ruining everything too. I hate idealists who really think that every greek organization is equal. I hate that the traditions of southern greek life are not always accepted here.

But your comments benefit no one. Trash talking other groups is embarrassingly disrespectful, even if it is evident that what you write is true.

Do me a favor: start acting like gentlemen and display some sense of discretion.

banditone · #9 12-06-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by g41965

All this talk about the old row got me to thinking about University of Alabama, my brother was a Sigma Nu at Alabama late 70's, we lived in Tuscaloosa right next to Indian Hills Country Club, my old man managed one of the biggest plants in town. Things do change guys, what about ATO, Phi Delt Kappa Sig all very good in the late 70's early 80's. Sig Ep went inactive in the mid 80's when their house burnt down. Chi Phi used to be good as well or so I've heard.
At UT Austin where I went to school same thing happened. Sigma Nu-founded 1887 was very good when I went there same for Pike-founded 1920, Beta -founded 1886. all are now gone or are much smaller. ATO was very good at SMU where I went to law school they've been gone for 11 years.
Bottom line, being old can make you good but the correlation is not 100% and things do change even in the tradition bound south.

This may be may favorite thread of all time..... To all that have posted, I sincerely thank you. Good reading!

Anywho, Sigma Nu at UT Austin was a very good chapter. However, as mentioned, they are gone. Not even having the greatness that is Lloyd Bentsen as an alum could save them after the hazing they got in trouble for in 1990-1991.

Macallan, I say we bring this thread back up to the front every 3 weeks or so, just to give this forum some posts that are about real-live-actual fraternity & sorority chapters.

tallgreekalum · #10 12-05-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well, as much as I hate the fact that northerners are coming to southern universities, you have a point. TKE originally got pretty good numbers at Auburn because of this. They bid a lot of people, and quickly got their numbers up. However, they catered to the non-old row types as you referred to, and thus have a poor reputation among greeks.

We have been attracting the same suburban nyc/penn/dc/boston prep boy/lacrosse playing types we do at most chapters, with a good number of their southern brethren. We know our market, and we do alright in it. We do not equate size with quality. It may take a while, but we will be a repected chapter at any campus we colonize. As more and more fraternities push tougher regulations(look at Kappa Sig at Ole Miss, Phi Delt at Sewanee and Virginia), you may see more and more old line chapters re-evaluate their relationship with their nationals. When they do, Alpha Delt will be there

PS Hey, Shinerbock, thanks for reminding me of my many visits to Austin every time I read your name

shinerbock · #11 12-05-2006, 06:49 PM

I'm pretty unfamiliar with Alpha Delt, so I can't really comment.

BadCat25 · #12 12-05-2006, 07:25 PM

The crap on this thread is why I decided to attend a private university in the north rather than my SEC school. You people are just terrible.

shinerbock · #13 12-05-2006, 09:29 PM

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The crap on this thread is why I decided to attend a private university in the north rather than my SEC school. You people are just terrible.

Enjoy it. Please don't return.

Elephant Walk · #14 12-05-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Enjoy it. Please don't return.

Yeah I'm kind of glad she's not here...The private school she refers to is New Jersey Tech, I'm pretty sure.

AnchorAlumna · #15 08-04-2007, 01:14 PM

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how's Theta Chi there then? semi-old row?

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New Row.....but still a good house as far as I know. Have huge numbers though from what I understand. Have good parties and are popular with the good sororities.

You're kidding....they used to RULE the Machine. Guess times have changed.