Now my favorite: US Airways

[shinerbock]

Yeah! Lets avoid profiling at any cost! We shouldnt sink to that level just because theres a chance it could save lives. Seriously, you're a moron.

I only hope I have one of you guys on a plane with me at the time its being hijacked, hopefully you'll be able to use your reason on these people, after all, they're probably just misunderstood.

As for the Constitution, I buy any copy I find, I'm obsessed. That being said, I'd gladly piss on it to prevent another 9/11.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Yeah! Lets avoid profiling at any cost! We shouldnt sink to that level just because theres a chance it could save lives. Seriously, you're a moron.

You might want to quote someone to indicate who you're talking to - I'm 100% sure you're bright enough to know that I did not take this stance at all, but it's hard to tell.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

As for the Constitution, I buy any copy I find, I'm obsessed. That being said, I'd gladly piss on it to prevent another 9/11.

The problem is that there's no guarantee you'll be preventing - how many times would you do it to prevent a 9/11? Twice? Twenty? Every time?

This epitomizes 'slippery slope' fallacies . . .

[shinerbock]

I hope you mean that the whole "we can't violate the constitution this time, because where will it lead" falls under the slippery slope fallacy.

I was talking to whoever brought up the bigotry, not really directed at you. In reality, much of the terrorism (if not the large majority) which threatens America originates from Muslims. Is it unreasonable to consider every Muslim a terrorist? Of course. Is it unreasonable to take extra precautions when Muslims are acting suspicious, especially at places like airports? Not at all. I feel bad for Muslims in America, I really do. They've gotten a raw deal here. However, if hurting 1000 people's feelings saves one life, sign me up.

Quick, quick, somebody look up a Ben Franklin quote about safety and liberty!

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I hope you mean that the whole "we can't violate the constitution this time, because where will it lead" falls under the slippery slope fallacy.

Both fall under the classical definition of the Slippery Slope Fallacy, clearly, as they're inferring a preordained outcome (or are denying an outcome based on an action) - this is entirely the problem with this discussion...

Past that, I don't think we're far off from each other - profiling is successfully used in many parts of the world, and doesn't have to rely simply on demographic information (although it is integrated as well).

Originally Posted by blueangel

You can't say "bomb" in an airport, and you can't yell "fire." There is a limit to the Constitution. While putting down the U.S. does not violate "freedom of speech"-- it was not a single reason why they were removed from the airplane. It is the combination of their suspicious actions which resulted in their removal.

My point was entirely that relying solely on statements like these are insane.

Of particular note (and why I introduced the topic) is that the other suspicious actions are being widely reported in completely different ways, and that the most extreme sources are from somewhat specious (and not exactly primary) sources - it's almost like a giant game of telephone - and as such, it seems like the anti-American statements are taking a strong front seat . . . this is pretty goofy, to me.

Originally Posted by blueangel

You're right, the reports are different. It is a "he said, she said" account of what was said. There will always be different interpretations by witnesses as to what actually happened.

OK - I really didn't need additional sources to prove that the journalism sucks here, that was kind of my point. Thanks for the legwork though.

Still no primary source on the "al Quada bomb formation" line?

[AKA_Monet]

I hate to be mean but blueangel, did you see the movie "Soul Plane"

There is just some chit that terrorists won't pull... Like driving down Slauson, Florence and Normandie at midnight in South Central LA... That would be stoopid... And they'd better be WELL-EQUIPPED if they pull some itsh, because it will be an all day affair...

Same holds true way out in Nelson, Georgia un in Tate County... Just places you don't go...

Same holds true in some places in Brooklyn or Bed-stuy...

All the Terrorist see what they pirate off our cable satellites and they think the chit is real...

They can pull another 9-11, what city? Where? A city in Texas where it's folks constitutionally guarenteed right to carry a concealed sawed off or pistol grip pump? Yeah, I'd like to see some terrorist jack anything in South Dallas... Or even Little Mexico... Good luck with that... They can try The Bubble, but the cops pull you over for going over 25 mph on their speed bumps... I should know, I lived there...

And yeah, they'd really terrorize the Bubba's off the I-25... Yepper, I don knows they will...

What's left, San Diego, TX? C'mon. Good Luck...

They did this isht in Minneapolis... Not trying to knock the Twin Cities, but what's there, really? Nuke sites? Where's the symbolism? Minneapolis where Prince was born? Okey...

So, what, LA? Frisco? Portland--maybe? Seattle? They are under a sheet of ice right now. Besides slippin' and sliding, what else? And I'd think neo-cons would be happy to ouster Seattle for being wacko-pinkos... Hayle, the Jonger wants to take out Seattle 'cuz he can't get his iPOD downloads...

At some level we all need to show some nutz and the confront terrorists as citizens of the Untied States...

I dayum sho would like to see some terrorist ride up in my 'hood...

How come they don't roll up in the 'hoods or barrios? That's one thing I haven't figured out...