The Seinfeld Dude....

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There has been debate as to whether or not he's Jewish so if he isn't, I'm glad that's cleared up.

I think because he played a primary character on Seinfeld, everyone assumes he was Jewish... Just saying... I have no comment on dude's religious affiliation and really don't care that much.

Aside from that:

Interesting the black folks in the audience where Michael Richards had ranted and spewed his venomous epithets said they plan to sue him.

It'll probably turn into a civil suit and some folks will make a little money focusing on lunatic...

[06pilot]

I like the Seinfeld show

[DSTKellie]

Michael Richards is racist. Over 3/4 of the white population probably is. I would have been very pissed if I was in the audience and I probably would have started a riot. But other than that he is racist and that pretty much doesnt make or break my day.

Now I think people have gone over board with this lawsuit issue. But then again he's a rich man and it looks like they will probably get some compensation for this incident. So go for it and break him where it hurts the most.

Why did he apologize to Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharpton...were they there??

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTKellie

Michael Richards is racist. Over 3/4 of the white population probably is. I would have been very pissed if I was in the audience and I probably would have started a riot. But other than that he is racist and that pretty much doesnt make or break my day.

Now I think people have gone over board with this lawsuit issue. But then again he's a rich man and it looks like they will probably get some compensation for this incident. So go for it and break him where it hurts the most.

Why did he apologize to Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharpton...were they there??

My reading of the news reports said the homie felt compelled to speak to Al Sharpton first, then connect up with Jesse.

Sounds like he's trying to buy protection from lawsuits from the "heckler thugs" at the comedy club...

The folks my buy it for a settlement out of court. If it makes it that far.

On our news, he was posing with Jesse and Paul Mooney. He had some LAME apology.

If there was a tactic we would employ, we can cirulate web-wide, to boycott all Seinfeld season DVDs. But there will always be those "tap dancing negroes"...

[06pilot]

Originally Posted by DSTKellie

Michael Richards is racist. Over 3/4 of the white population probably is. I would have been very pissed if I was in the audience and I probably would have started a riot. But other than that he is racist and that pretty much doesnt make or break my day.

Now I think people have gone over board with this lawsuit issue. But then again he's a rich man and it looks like they will probably get some compensation for this incident. So go for it and break him where it hurts the most.

Why did he apologize to Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharpton...were they there??

So, if 3/4 of white people are racists, what percentage of black people are racists?

[06pilot]

SO, I gather if he apologized not many people would think it was sincere. I bet thee are the same people that profess to be God fearing Christians too. Forgiveness apparently had a finite point. Thats not what my Bible says.

These hoodlums in the audience were heckiling him. Now of course it wasnt right for him to say racist statements but ya know, we have much more important things going on in life than to wory about some guy we will neer meet in person

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by 06pilot

SO, I gather if he apologized not many people would think it was sincere. I bet thee are the same people that profess to be God fearing Christians too. Forgiveness apparently had a finite point. Thats not what my Bible says.

These hoodlums in the audience were heckiling him. Now of course it wasnt right for him to say racist statements but ya know, we have much more important things going on in life than to wory about some guy we will neer meet in person

Are you from LA? Have you ever lived there? If you are not from Los Angeles, then you no clue what kinds of racial tensions exist there...

After 2 violent racially based outbursts that turned into riots in 1965 Watts and 1992 South Central LA, do you think that the "act of forgiving" someone who blurts any kind of racial epithets in that area would be safe given the incindiery nature of it? Literally?

[SummerChild]

06pilot, to answer your question, he has apologized and no, I do not think that it is sincere. I think that he is trying to do *damage control.* Yes, I am G-D fearing and yes I am still willing to recognize what I consider to be the truth and the reality of a situation. If you want to forgive him then *you* forgive him. I don't see how forgiving him will take back the hurt of him conjuring up and using as a *weapon* the mutiliation of black men by lynch mobs. If you think that it will smooth everything over for you to forgive him, then *you* forgive him.

Yes there were people in the audience heckling him. Comedians heckle audience members sometimes and sometimes audience members heckle comedians. Anyone who has ever been to a comedy show knows that it goes both ways and is a frequent occurrence. If you think that that gives him the right to basically tell the hecklers that 50 years ago, he would have been part of a lynch mob, call them a degrading term several times, tell them "that's what happens when you interrupt the white man, n*" and jokingly state that "the police are going to arrest [me] for calling a black man a n*" then *you* look the other way.

However, I do think that it is offensive to post a message basically telling us to calm down and it's not that important. It trivializes the weapon that he obviously felt obliged to wield in that comedy club. If it's not important to you then stop commenting in this thread and start a thread about the "more important things going on in life" that you mention below. People will comment in that thread too. Alas, it is possible to discuss more than one issue at once.

ETA: 06pilot, how about the man who was getting married the next day and was attending his bachelor party with his two friends - all three were gunned down by the police over the weekend in NY? He was leaving the club with his friends. Several police men in plain clothes gunned them down in their car. 31 bullets in the guy who was scheduled to get married within hours, 17 in a passenger and several in another. The police had been drinking and all police started firing (and emptying round after round in their car) b/c the police *thought* that they might have had a gun. No gun was ever found. Kind of like the Amadou Diallo situation. Is *this* important enough to talk about or should we find another topic?

SC

Originally Posted by 06pilot

SO, I gather if he apologized not many people would think it was sincere. I bet thee are the same people that profess to be God fearing Christians too. Forgiveness apparently had a finite point. Thats not what my Bible says.

These hoodlums in the audience were heckiling him. Now of course it wasnt right for him to say racist statements but ya know, we have much more important things going on in life than to wory about some guy we will neer meet in person

[DSTKellie]

Originally Posted by 06pilot

So, if 3/4 of white people are racists, what percentage of black people are racists?

Well personally I dont think black people are racist. We don't benefit from racism. Because racism is a system that we cannot control. Are there black people that hate white people??? Of course! But this does not qualify as racism to me. (another topic for another day)

BTW: People apologize because its the right thing to do not because they really want to change.

Anyway, I seek no reason to support him or justify his outrageous rants. I've enjoyed a Seinfield episode now and then but I am content if I never see the show or him again.

Good point AKAMonet!

[shinerbock]

On a side note, in response to the above post...I'm not sure what logic you're using in deciding that white people hating black people is racism but black people hating whites isnt...however, if your idea has merit, how would that affect something like hate crime legislation? They're usually racially/sexual orientation motivated, so would you support hate crime status for crimes by blacks against whites, if there was indication that the victim being white factored into the decision to commit the crime? Just curious.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

On a side note, in response to the above post...I'm not sure what logic you're using in deciding that white people hating black people is racism but black people hating whites isnt...

I don't consider white people hating black people to automatically be racism. It is prejudice. The difference, that can make hatred turn into discrimination and/or racism, is that white people hating black people tends to translate into action whereas blacks who hate whites tends to not to translate into action. How many blacks can have stable, good jobs and accumulate wealth through separatism and without the input of a white person who is not a subordinate? However, many whites have always had stable, good jobs and accumulated wealth through separatism (opportunity hoarding) and without the input of blacks who were not subordinates. This is the opportunity and power differential.

Action does not include someone getting mad and whooping someone's ass one day. Action means systemic exclusion and differential treatment (and even systemic violence similar to the lynching era).

Originally Posted by shinerbock

however, if your idea has merit, how would that affect something like hate crime legislation? They're usually racially/sexual orientation motivated, so would you support hate crime status for crimes by blacks against whites, if there was indication that the victim being white factored into the decision to commit the crime? Just curious.

I would. But "racism" is not a requirement for hate crimes or the legislation. You have to prove the person was targeting a specific group, usually due to prejudice and fear, not that the person was "racist."

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by DSTKellie

Well personally I dont think black people are racist.

I beg to differ. I've seen black people who were racist. Asians, hispanics, etc.

I'm afraid hate comes in all colours.

[DSTKellie]

Please let me explain. I never said that Black people were not hateful and that they d0 not hate whites. Please re-read what i posted.

The definition of racism a system that believes that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Racist people are those who use the system, forms of prejudice and discrimination to keep ones race as superior and another race as inferior. Black people do not benefit from racism. If a black owner decided not to serve white people, guess what? White people would still be superior. White people perpetuate stereotypes, names and other tactics to remain the superior race. As in Michael Richards performance he showed his true opinion about blacks and revealed his racism when he made the comment about 50 yrs ago, pitchfork in ass blah blah whatever. That comment alone showed his true racism not so much of his use of the N-word. Again yes black people can be hateful but technically blacks are not racist because we do not control the system. If a black person hates a white person it isn't because the black person thinks the white person is inferior because of their physical characteristics. Usually its because of something the white person has done. Whites hated blacks merely based on physical characteristics alone. They felt that they were somewhat better that them because they did not possess the physical qualities of African Americans. Racism can be covert and overt. I see all the time. And sometimes your NICEST white people can still be racist. White people with "black" friends can still be racist. It's a belief system and most white people feel that they are better than other races because they are white.

My feelings are the same with sexism I don't believe that women can be sexist.

[06pilot]

Originally Posted by DSTKellie

Well personally I dont think black people are racist. We don't benefit from racism. Because racism is a system that we cannot control. Are there black people that hate white people??? Of course! But this does not qualify as racism to me. (another topic for another day)

BTW: People apologize because its the right thing to do not because they really want to change.

Anyway, I seek no reason to support him or justify his outrageous rants. I've enjoyed a Seinfield episode now and then but I am content if I never see the show or him again.

Good point AKAMonet!

Maybe thats the reason YOU apologize. You need to deal with that within yourself. So, you have to benefit in some way to be a Racist? I thought the defintion f racist was to hate another person because of their race. I dont remember any definition talking about benefiting. Hate is Hate and it is wrong in any color.I dont support any hatered no matter what color the person is. I try to lve my life the way I want to be treated and I lok at every indivisual as an indivisual not as a race. I could write a whole thing about that but as you said thats another conversation all together. But I would think college educated people would think more logically and not emotionally.

[DSTKellie]

Originally Posted by 06pilot

Maybe thats the reason YOU apologize. You need to deal with that within yourself. So, you have to benefit in some way to be a Racist? I thought the defintion f racist was to hate another person because of their race. I dont remember any definition talking about benefiting. Hate is Hate and it is wrong in any color.I dont support any hatered no matter what color the person is. I try to lve my life the way I want to be treated and I lok at every indivisual as an indivisual not as a race. I could write a whole thing about that but as you said thats another conversation all together. But I would think college educated people would think more logically and not emotionally.

You just missed the entire point. Anyway I never justified that hating someone was okay. I never said that hating was ok regardless of who is doing the hate. I simply defined racism and explained why I don't think Black people are racist. Doesnt mean that black people dont hate, doesnt mean that black people are perfect. you totally missed the point. Anyway I also dont think Michael Richards was sincrere with his apology that is just my opinion.