Michael Richards aka "Kramer" racist?

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by macallan25

So what do you call a person that calls a black man "nigger/nigga" just because he always heres them saying it to each other and didn't think anything bad about it. I don't know if there is actually anyone that naive still left on the planet......but it could happen. Do you call him a racist?

We're not talking about this type of a situation and you know it. In any event, I would find both of those users of the word to have some serious issues. I never said that any and all actions by white involving race constitutes racism, what I am saying is that racism entails far more than what many people want to claim it does.

Don't assume you know enough about me to know how I feel about the use of the word nigger by anyone in any context.

Aside from this point, as you admitted yourself, no one is that naive. The whole country knows that SOME blacks' use of the word toward one another is a strange phenomenon. Despite that some white folks still don't use it even though by all means nothing is stopping them other than that fact they they KNOW why its different when they use it.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

A racist. Don't assume you know enough about me to know how I feel about the use of the word n***** by anyone in any context.

When I was 12 years old, I once used the term "Arab" (pronounced AY-rab) in class and everyone died laughing. I had no idea it could be considered a racial slur.

That's what macallan is talking about. He's not addressing the Michael Richards situation per se, just wondering what you would think if someone really, truly was that unknowing.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by 33girl

When I was 12 years old, I once used the term "Arab" (pronounced AY-rab) in class and everyone died laughing. I had no idea it could be considered a racial slur.

That's what macallan is talking about. He's not addressing the Michael Richards situation per se, just wondering what you would think if someone really, truly was that unknowing.

Exactly.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by 33girl

When I was 12 years old, I once used the term "Arab" (pronounced AY-rab) in class and everyone died laughing. I had no idea it could be considered a racial slur.

That's what macallan is talking about. He's not addressing the Michael Richards situation per se, just wondering what you would think if someone really, truly was that unknowing.

Really?You conferred with him and got clarification on what he was talking about? I've unfortunatley been exposed to many of the the things he has said and I have a pretty good idea of how he thinks on issues like this. I know what he is addressing. Not being rude to you, but I am capable of discerning his meaning and I responded to him the way I felt appropriate.

And also, you were 12 years old. We're talking about a grown man in the case of Richards and I have no idea who macallan could be talking about since, again as he, himself has acknowledged, people aren't that naive, even young ones.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

Really?You conferred with him and got clarification on what he was talking about? I've unfortunatley been exposed to many of the the things he has said and I have a pretty good idea of how he thinks on issues like this. I know what he is addressing. Not being rude to you, but I am capable of discerning his meaning and I responded to him the way I felt appropriate.

And also, you were 12 years old. We're talking about a grown man in the case of Richards and I have no idea who macallan could be talking about since, again as he, himself has acknowledged, people aren't that naive, even young ones.

See above post.

Also, whatever macallan's personal opinions are (and I don't agree with many of them) in this case answer the question, not the person.

Trust me, I can easily see people in some of the bassackwards towns in my state walking up to a black man and saying "what up n***a!" after seeing it on TV and having no clue they did anything wrong, because they have absolutely never had any face to face contact with a black person in their lives.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by 33girl

See above post.

Also, whatever macallan's personal opinions are (and I don't agree with many of them) in this case answer the question, not the person.

What?

Trust me, I can easily see people in some of the bassackwards towns in my state walking up to a black man and saying "what up n***a!" after seeing it on TV and having no clue they did anything wrong, because they have absolutely never had any face to face contact with a black person in their lives.

And as I said to him and am now saying to you in response to THE QUESTION: this is not the situation we are dealing with here so what is the point of even bringing that crazy and rather impractical situation up? You said that the towns in your state are ass backwards which would indicate that something like that happening would not be normal or common with relation to other towns in your and other states that are not ass backwards. The situation here is very specific. I'm referring to what Michael Richards said, not some nameless, faceless, person who woulda coulda said something in an arbitrary scenario.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

What?



And as I said to him and am now saying to you in response to THE QUESTION: this is not the situation we are dealing with here so what is the point of even bringing that crazy and rather impractical situation up? You said that the towns in your state are ass backwards which would indicate that something like that happening would not be normal or common with relation to other towns in your and other states that are not ass backwards. The situation here is very specific. I'm referring to what Michael Richards said, not some nameless, faceless, person who woulda coulda said something in an arbitrary scenario.

Re what - I'm saying that just because macallan has said some things that apparently make you think he doesn't have a high opinion of blacks, concentrate on what's being asked, not who's asking it. For instance, if greeklawgirl or KSigRC asked it, would you respond the same way? I don't know how to make that clearer.

And he was asking a hypothetical inspired by the situation, you are dealing with the Michael Richards situation only. 2 different things. As for why he brought it up, that's a question to him, not me.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Re what - I'm saying that just because macallan has said some things that apparently make you think he doesn't have a high opinion of blacks, concentrate on what's being asked, not who's asking it. For instance, if greeklawgirl or KSigRC asked it, would you respond the same way? I don't know how to make that clearer.

And he was asking a hypothetical inspired by the situation, you are dealing with the Michael Richards situation only. 2 different things. As for why he brought it up, that's a question to him, not me.

This clarifcation was clear enough. You're first post was not. In response to this one, I will repond to him the way I see fit, thank you very much.

And if its two different things, which was my point exactly, why would you feel the need to opine and attempt to clarify HIS point? You obviously saw some correlation between the Richards comments and his hypo. Furthermore, it IS a question for you since you jumped in on the exchange between him and myself and felt the need to go forward and offer your own anectdote presenting a similar hypothetical situation. Therefore, I questioned you as well as him.

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by 33girl

When I was 12 years old, I once used the term "Arab" (pronounced AY-rab) in class and everyone died laughing. I had no idea it could be considered a racial slur.

That's what macallan is talking about. He's not addressing the Michael Richards situation per se, just wondering what you would think if someone really, truly was that unknowing.

When I was about 12, my sister and cousins and I were called a bunch of n-word by a white kid that was a little younger than I was and he and his friends laughed and knew exactly what they were saying.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

A racist. Don't assume you know enough about me to know how I feel about the use of the word nigger by anyone in any context.

Aside from this point, as you admitted yourself, no one is that naive. The whole country knows that SOME blacks' use of the word toward one another is a strange phenomenon. Despite that some white folks still don't use it even though by all means nothing is stopping them other than that fact they they KNOW why its different when they use it.

I'm not assuming anything. But I certainly wouldn't label a person a racist if they didn't know about the negative context behind the word.

I'm sorry, but I see very VERY few blacks that don't use that word towards one another. I certainly wouldn't call it a strange phenomenon. I hear it on a daily basis....way more than often.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I'm not assuming anything. But I certainly wouldn't label a person a racist if they didn't know about the negative context behind the word.

I'm sorry, but I see very VERY few blacks that don't use that word towards one another. I certainly wouldn't call it a strange phenomenon. I hear it on a daily basis....way more than often.

And I'm sorry, but I think its obvious that you know very VERY few blacks period. If you knew more, than it would be clear to you how wrong you happen to be.

[RedVelvet]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I'm not assuming anything. But I certainly wouldn't label a person a racist if they didn't know about the negative context behind the word.

I'm sorry, but I see very VERY few blacks that don't use that word towards one another. I certainly wouldn't call it a strange phenomenon. I hear it on a daily basis....way more than often.

Really. You must have very limited contact with a very few "blacks."

[smiley21]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I'm sorry, but I see very VERY few blacks that don't use that word towards one another. I certainly wouldn't call it a strange phenomenon. I hear it on a daily basis....way more than often.

That is funny because I never say the N word and I know a lot of black people who don't use it either. I do know some who do, but the ones who don't are not few are far between.

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I'm not assuming anything. But I certainly wouldn't label a person a racist if they didn't know about the negative context behind the word.

I'm sorry, but I see very VERY few blacks that don't use that word towards one another. I certainly wouldn't call it a strange phenomenon. I hear it on a daily basis....way more than often.

I know very few blacks that do use the n-word and I'm black, and I'm pretty sure I know more blacks than you. My family never used it, I didn't and my child won't be raised to think it's ok to use it period.

[Dionysus]

Originally Posted by Reds6

I know very few blacks that do use the n-word and I'm black, and I'm pretty sure I know more blacks than you. My family never used it, I didn't and my child won't be raised to think it's ok to use it period.

Is "nicca" acceptable?

As for the OT, I don't find that many things offensive, but I was quite offended by the video. As some have said, it was very clear that he was pissed, and not joking at all. Even if he was joking, it was inappropiate.