Michigan's Prop 2 to ban affirmative action

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Whether or not people get into a certain college isn't the issue--it's how they do once they're there. You can brag about getting into your top school--but it's how you do once you're there that counts. If a minority student works hard and graduates within 4 years with a good GPA, then yes, he/she deserved that spot.

I believe the Grutter v. Bollinger lawsuit and subsequent decision led to the elimination of that admissions sheet at Michigan, even though the Supreme Court upheld its use. According to that sheet, however, you got the same amount of points for being the child of an alumnus and almost as many for being an athlete. Preferential treatment, whether it's based on race, class, or athletic prowess, has been here forever and is here to stay.

First paragraph, yes I agree with you. After the fact it doesn't matter and isn't a big deal, unless you are that person who got rejected even though you deserved that spot also.

I'm not sure about the sheet. I don't remember hearing if they did away with it. We went over it in one of my classes, and I just remember being amazed at the points you got for certain things... such as being a legacy, being an athlete, race, and all the other points they had.

I just hate the assumption that any minority student in college got admitted to fill a quota.

(sorry, i still don't know how to multi-quote!)

But that's the thing. I know that there are minority students who worked just as hard and deserve to be there, but there are many people who will assume that. (I'm trying to argue with one of the most racist transplant-Southerner I know about this whole prop 2 thing... he is one of those people) I just thought that it would eliminate that assumption and be fair to those getting rejected because of the "quota".

[southernelle25]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

But that's the thing. I know that there are minority students who worked just as hard and deserve to be there, but there are many people who will assume that. (I'm trying to argue with one of the most racist transplant-Southerner I know about this whole prop 2 thing... he is one of those people) I just thought that it would eliminate that assumption and be fair to those getting rejected because of the "quota".

Are white students ever concerned that people will assume they were admitted based on "race, class, or athletic prowess", rather than merit? If your last name is Bush, for example, do you care that everyone assumes you made it based on your family's connections??

[Taualumna]

But sometimes, departments and/or schools sway towards one group or another because that's who applies. White women make up the majority of elementary school education majors while men (especially Asian men) seem to go for hard sciences/engineering.