Michigan's Prop 2 to ban affirmative action

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I have not seen any satisfactory articulation as to why Shinerbock THINKS AffAct should be eliminated. I could care less about how he feels about this subject and I probably already know his feelings as well as a few other folks here.

Shinerbock talks about AffAct all the time. The thread can be able orange juice for breakfast and he'll find a way to put AffAct in there. If you pretty much know how he and others feel about the subject then you should also know that it's not really about empirical support. There isn't any real data to support many of the cons of AffAct that such people highlight. It's mostly theoretical.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

My career is about facts and statistics. That is my mindset and my modus operandi at all times. I need histories and "not what I feel about it today" or "opinions on it". What I deal with in my line of work is exactly what I can see. So, it is very difficult for me to make any inferences unless I am able to experimentally test it out based on a hypothesis.

I have a similar line of work and modus operandi most of the time. However, we're talking about social phenomenon and stances on controversial social issues. There will not always be facts and statistics to support every pro and con. That's the fact of the matter.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Thank you and I appreciate your insight and compassion. As much as folks love to share their "opinions" with us, like I said, what are the facts? We can revolve around this iceberg's tip never going in depth to the core of the issue or we could try to learn something from each other. I prefer the latter. But hey, what do I know? I am just some hack trying free minds here. I have been teaching college student close to 12 years now and I like to think that I know how to get them to learn complex issues... I guess I am too much into the Socratic Method...

Well what I have learned in teaching college students is that it is important to challenge them to think bigger without denying their point of view credibility since many topics aren't about a die hard right or wrong. You already know they are less capable of articulating the same as you or providing you with immediate evidence. So instead of drilling the obvious into the ground, you let them give you what they can give you in a theoretical matter which will prompt them to go home and seek the empirical support for their theory. Theory always comes first and theory is practically the same as opinion in this instance since it's all about standpoint, anyway.

Either case, I hope your students don't have a hard time understanding what you mean the way some of us did.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well what I have learned in teaching college students is that it is important to challenge them to think bigger without denying their point of view credibility since many topics aren't about a die hard right or wrong. You already know they are less capable of articulating the same as you or providing you with immediate evidence. So instead of drilling the obvious into the ground, you let them give you what they can give you in a theoretical matter which will prompt them to go home and seek the empirical support for their theory. Theory always comes first and theory is practically the same as opinion in this instance since it's all about standpoint, anyway.

Either case, I hope your students don't have a hard time understanding what you mean the way some of us did.

It is difficult for me to get out of it and reach to those unfamiliar with my daily concepts. When there is congestive heart failure in the left ventricular at diastole, we are no longer dealing with theory now, we are probably trying to stabilize and save someone's life...

I have no chance to "infer" anything. If I don't hear it "straight from the horse's mouth" then I have been trained to not assume anything... It is a matter of asking the "right" question. The man, Shinerbock, can choose to answer my questions or not. I can infer whatever I want. But I will never know unless I see his answer.

You and I do agree on one thing, most of these kids haven't a clue. We can either write them off as racist, ignorant, insensitive nutjobs. Or, we can walk them through "their logic" to see how they came to "their logical conclusions". For the most part, I see some of these kids having little exposure to ANYTHING worthy or meaningful. They may eventually get "there" in their lives, but then again, who knows? What I do know that what we hate the most will enter our lives most significantly... It is all a matter of time...

Now, that is one thing I know I cannot predict...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

It is difficult for me to get out of it and reach to those unfamiliar with my daily concepts. When there is congestive heart failure in the left ventricular at diastole, we are no longer dealing with theory now, we are probably trying to stabilize and save someone's life...

I have no chance to "infer" anything. If I don't hear it "straight from the horse's mouth" then I have been trained to not assume anything... It is a matter of asking the "right" question. The man, Shinerbock, can choose to answer my questions or not. I can infer whatever I want. But I will never know unless I see his answer.

You and I do agree on one thing, most of these kids haven't a clue. We can either write them off as racist, ignorant, insensitive nutjobs. Or, we can walk them through "their logic" to see how they came to "their logical conclusions". For the most part, I see some of these kids having little exposure to ANYTHING worthy or meaningful. They may eventually get "there" in their lives, but then again, who knows? What I do know that what we hate the most will enter our lives most significantly... It is all a matter of time...

Now, that is one thing I know I cannot predict...

O.K.

[shinerbock]

Well perhaps you should start by asking a direct questions to those "kids" "who haven't a clue."

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well perhaps you should start by asking a direct questions to those "kids" "who haven't a clue."

That's always a start.

[AKA_Monet]

Boys,

I think we are teaching a didactic course for you... Next week there will be quiz!

We are on the 2 week turn-around system here...

Welcome to GC University...

President - DSTChaos
Dean of Curriculum and Chief of GC Hospital - Dr. AKA_Monet

I think Macallan would make an excellent Football Coach... And Shinerbock an Atheletics Director...

Now we need the Registrar, Bursar and our Regents...

[macallan25]

Thats fine.....Mack Brown makes over a million a year.....i'll take it.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

You and I do agree on one thing, most of these kids haven't a clue. We can either write them off as racist, ignorant, insensitive nutjobs. Or, we can walk them through "their logic" to see how they came to "their logical conclusions". For the most part, I see some of these kids having little exposure to ANYTHING worthy or meaningful. They may eventually get "there" in their lives, but then again, who knows? What I do know that what we hate the most will enter our lives most significantly... It is all a matter of time...

Now, that is one thing I know I cannot predict...