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Drolefille · #**451** 10-11-2006, 05:12 PM

I think that AIs should be able to post questions and such as well. Even if there isn't an AI forum.

ReachTheLimit · #**452** 10-11-2006, 05:13 PM

I totally respect anyone that feels that way Lisa, but if all sororities that do AI felt that way, then they would never answer any non-member inquiries regarding AI. Why would they waste their time?

ReachTheLimit · #**453** 10-11-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This is an important post. You took cues and made the necessary contacts w/o needing anyone to hold your hand.

Therefore, why can't there just be a closed sticky in the recruitment forum that states "Some sororities and fraternities have alumnae/graduate initiation opportunities. This is not the same as recruitment as this is typically by invitation-only. For more information please check out the national websites for your organization of interest. There is no general process or general information to provide and we prefer that inquiries not be posted on GC. However, if you wish to provide some info about your own AI experience that you are currently undergoing, not asking how to begin, feel free to do so and your thread will 1) be directed to the appropriate forum and 2) be responded to with the understanding that no one on GC can speak for every organization or every aspirant's experience."

I would actually agree with that process. I think that would be fair.

greekalum · #**454** 10-11-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Fair question and I'll give you an example.

I have read alot, where the PNAI don't know who to contact, the local AA of the GLO or their HQ's. I think everyone who is seeking AI has been told to contact the HQ's first because many of the AA's are not aware that their sorority (for the ones that do) does AI or have no idea of how to go about the process.

That is the kind of general information I'm talking about. Things like that.

This kind of "how to find an organization that will take you as an AI" information is NOT provided by any organization and is exactly the kind of thing that has caused the AI forum to be so contentious.

ReachTheLimit · #**455** 10-11-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by greekalum

This kind of "how to find an organization that will take you as an AI" information is NOT provided by any organization and is exactly the kind of thing that has caused the AI forum to be so contentious.

Greek, I'm not making personal attacks to you.

valkyrie · #**456** 10-11-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Well, I'll give you that, I probably didn't word that correctly.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is when someone is generally posting, looking for general information, and just want to post regarding her successes and lows regarding AI, why should she have to worry about being grilled regarding her quest on the GC AI Forum and that people that don't particularly like the AI process being discussed lead the way? It just seems cruel and unnecessary.

Here's the thing. Those of us who have been around GC for a long, long time have seen a huge change in the AI climate. A few years ago, things were calm and uneventful, and there were a few successful AIs who posted their stories and all was wonderful in the world.

Then there was The Great Sorority Shopping Caper where someone posted in great detail about her AI pursuit, which involved four or five organizations. I think that most of us were horrified by the whole thing. After that, more and more hopeful AIs started crawling out of the woodwork, and more than a few of them were, well, not right -- such as the woman who was "practically engaged" and chased tornadoes when she wasn't attending two different "sister" law schools and scooping ice cream. There were others, as well, a few of whom actually became AIs of NPC organizations. There also is a long history of perps and crazies posting on GC (on subjects other than AI), some of whom have been discovered to be potentially dangerous in real life.

All that has me (and I think quite a few others, although I don't speak for anyone else) suspicious of people who come on GC and want to pursue AI. I think that many of the questions asked of these women aren't intended to be cruel -- they're intended, more often than not, to get to know a little bit about who these women are and whether they're scary or creepy or unsuited for membership. Of course the local alumnae groups and executive offices/headquarters/boards/whatever of our organizations can weed out the inappropriate candidates, but it's pretty easy to ask questions on GC and give a heads up if a woman seems unstable or inappropriate.

I think that most of us are happy to have awesome women initiated into our organizations, whether as collegiates or alumnae. However, due to the way things have played out on GC over the past few years and how many PNAMs have appeared to many of us to be unstable and/or not suited for membership, we're skeptical when new GCers post about wanting to pursue AI. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

DSTCHAOS · #**457** 10-11-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Fair question and I'll give you an example.

I have read alot, where the PNAI don't know who to contact, the local AA of the GLO or their HQ's. I think everyone who is seeking AI has been told to contact the HQ's first because many of the AA's are not aware that their sorority (for the ones that do) does AI or have no idea of how to go about the process.

That is the kind of general information I'm talking about. Things like that.

Right so how many times can that general advice be given? That's why we have "so you wanna be an XYZ?" or "no membership inquiry" sticky threads in NPHC forums and certain aspirant threads get closed. There's not much that we are willing to say to these people and what CAN be said has already been said kazillions of times.

Jen · #**458** 10-11-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This is an important post. You took cues and made the necessary contacts w/o needing anyone to hold your hand.

Therefore, why can't there just be a closed sticky in the recruitment forum that states "Some sororities and fraternities have alumnae/graduate initiation opportunities. This is not the same as recruitment as this is typically by invitation-only. For more information please check out the national websites for your organization of interest. There is no general process or general information to provide and we prefer that inquiries not be posted on GC. However, if you wish to provide some info about your own AI experience that you are currently undergoing, not asking how to begin, feel free to do so and your thread will 1) be directed to the appropriate forum and 2) be responded to with the understanding that no one on GC can speak for every organization or every aspirant's experience."

YES.

greekalum · #**459** 10-11-2006, 05:18 PM

That was not a personal attack but an honest question since you claim to have read the entire AI sub-forum yet seem unaware of the reasons NPC members do not want GC to provide "how to AI" info for women with no previous ties to or invitation from an organization.

ReachTheLimit · #**460** 10-11-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by valkyrie

Here's the thing. Those of us who have been around GC for a long, long time have seen a huge change in the AI climate. A few years ago, things were calm and uneventful, and there were a few successful AIs who posted their stories and all was wonderful in the world.

Then there was The Great Sorority Shopping Caper where someone posted in great detail about her AI pursuit, which involved four or five organizations. I think that most of us were horrified by the whole thing. After that, more and more hopeful AIs started crawling out of the woodwork, and more than a few of them were, well, not right -- such as the woman who was "practically engaged" and chased tornadoes when she wasn't attending two different "sister" law schools and scooping ice cream. There were others, as well, a few of whom actually became AIs of NPC organizations. There also is a long history of perps and crazies posting on GC (on subjects other than AI), some of whom have been discovered to be potentially dangerous in real life.

All that has me (and I think quite a few others, although I don't speak for anyone else) suspicious of people who come on GC and want to pursue AI. I think that many of the questions asked of these women aren't intended to be cruel -- they're intended, more often than not, to get to know a little bit about who these women are and whether they're scary or creepy or unsuited for membership. Of course the local alumnae groups and executive offices/headquarters/boards/whatever of our organizations can weed out the inappropriate candidates, but it's pretty easy to ask questions on GC and give a heads up if a woman seems unstable or inappropriate.

I think that most of us are happy to have awesome women initiated into our organizations, whether as collegiates or alumnae. However, due to the way things have played out on GC over the past few years and how many PNAMs have appeared to many of us to be unstable and/or not suited for membership, we're skeptical when new GCers post about wanting to pursue AI. I think that's perfectly reasonable.

Well, actually, I didn't realize that the history had been that bad. I can understand the skepticism (I probably didn't spell that right). There isn't anything wrong with asking a few questions, nothing at all. This is a public forum. Some just appear to be just way too defensive in their questioning, and I seriously doubt that if someone was standing in front of them, they would ask the same question. That's just common courtesy.

DSTCHAOS · #**461** 10-11-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ariesrising

YES.

We all have guidelines for what types of membership information is off limits to share so if aspirants become too detailed, or is obviously just fishing for ANY organization that does AI, they can be "warned" and if need be the the thread can be quarantined...or something like that.

valkyrie · #**462** 10-11-2006, 05:26 PM

Also, a big WORD to everything DSTCHAOS has posted here.

ReachTheLimit · #**463** 10-11-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

We all have guidelines for what types of membership information is off limits to share so if aspirants become too detailed, or is obviously just fishing for ANY organization that does AI, they can be "warned" and if need be the the thread can be quarantined...or something like that.

I agree, and that is why people when they first visit the AI Forum should read where it says, "Read here first".

DSTCHAOS · #**464** 10-11-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I agree, and that is why people when they first visit the AI Forum should read where it says, "Read here first".

That makes me wonder where the confusion lies. Is the "read here first" too wordy or something? We should all know that with more information volunteered more information is sought after.

ReachTheLimit · #**465** 10-11-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

That makes me wonder where the confusion lies. Is the "read here first" too wordy or something? We should all know that with more information volunteered more information is sought after.

Hey, I am so with you on that one! Maybe that should be the first test for AI...if you can't read on a 4th grade level, you don't get any info <winK>