Christian terrorists hijack a plane

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by blueangel

I agree there are plenty of hate groups.. there's even one right here on Greek Chat!

The organizations you mention are not organized with cells in virtually every part of the world. When looking at the scope of the Islamic Terrorists who have declared a Jihad-- they look like mosquitos in comparison.

So only being organized in the west means that it's okay?

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

So only being organized in the west means that it's okay?

No one said it was OK. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I am saying that there is no group which even comes close to the enormous scope of the Islamic terrorists.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by blueangel

No one said it was OK. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I am saying that there is no group which even comes close to the enormous scope of the Islamic terrorists.

Because you've never put words in anyone's mouth, you've always been "fair and balanced."

Are you then implying that the Crusaders were not as large as the Islamic terrorists? Because I would posit that not only were they larger in scope, they were far better organized and focused on one common goal instead of hundreds of factious ones.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Because you've never put words in anyone's mouth, you've always been "fair and balanced."

Are you then implying that the Crusaders were not as large as the Islamic terrorists? Because I would posit that not only were they larger in scope, they were far better organized and focused on one common goal instead of hundreds of factious ones.

Yes, I try to be "fair and balanced." It's the Libra in me, you know.

The Crusaders were as bad as the Islamic Terrorists in intent... but correct me if I'm wrong... didn't that happen in the Middle Ages? I wasn't aware there were still Crusades. I believe we're now talking about the 21st century. Can you name a hate group as large and as organized as the Islamic Terrorists?

(edited to correct a typo)

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by blueangel

No one said it was OK. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I am saying that there is no group which even comes close to the enormous scope of the Islamic terrorists.

Well if you go to the moon like I suggested you would be safe.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by mulattogyrl

Well if you go to the moon like I suggested you would be safe.

Would you care to add to the discussion? Please feel free to comment on the quotes I asked Opi about.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Would you care to add to the discussion? Please feel free to comment on the quotes I asked Opi about.

Sure! Thanks for inviting me. How are we supposed to look up a quote in the Quran if it's incorrectly cited? I tried checking it yesterday but couldn't find it, so that's why I never commented.

As far as Ishaq's book, I never read it and haven't seen the quote. Sorry, can't help you there.

Maybe those were Prophet Muhammad's last words. Do you know in what context he said them? Where did you get that quote? Maybe I can read it for you and decipher it since you seem to speak and read English but only see what you want to see.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Are you then implying that the Crusaders were not as large as the Islamic terrorists? Because I would posit that not only were they larger in scope, they were far better organized and focused on one common goal instead of hundreds of factious ones.

Originally Posted by RACooper

. . . and of course any church associated with Ian Paisley (you know giving finacial aid to the UVF, to help stamp out the Catholic vermin).

I realize that most of the people participating in this thread understand this, but for the few who still don't get it . . .

With both of these examples, as with blueangels' Muslim/Malay insurgents in Thailand (see the Thailand coup thread that she brought over here), the motivations are as much ethnic and political as they are religious. They certainly were with the crusades (and is it completely fair to assess the attitudes of Christians and Christianity today by reference to the Crusades?) and it is true in Northern Ireland. It can often be hard to separate the ethnic and political from the religious, since the ethnic and political divisions can mirror religious divisions, and since religious divisions are used as the fuses, even the pretexts, to further ethnic and political goals. Even with groups like Al-Quada, "we" are targeted not because "we" are Christian per se, but because we are Western/American, and the West is perceived by the terrorists as the enemy of Islam. Trying to confine any of these phenomena to religious or ethnic or political roots is just too simplistic.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Even with groups like Al-Quada, "we" are targeted not because "we" are Christian per se, but because we are Western/American, and the West is perceived by the terrorists as the enemy of Islam. Trying to confine any of these phenomena to religious or ethnic or political roots is just too simplistic.

I agree. There are complex, multilayered issues pulling each terrorist organization, and while at face they seem to have the same objectives and motivations, they actually don't. I.e. Hizbullah v. Al-Qieda v. Hamas. I think, in the media, with words flying around flying around like "Islamic terrorism", some would find it hard to differentiate these groups, and just lump them all together based on religion.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by blueangel

No one said it was OK. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I am saying that there is no group which even comes close to the enormous scope of the Islamic terrorists.

Communist/Marxist Terrorists easily surpase "Islamic" Terrorists in the scope of their attacks and numbers killed. Thank you, please try again...

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by blueangel

I am saying that there is no group which even comes close to the enormous scope of the Islamic terrorists.

Islamic terrorists is a current problem. Can you explain who you consider Islamic terrorists?

I ask because there is a current trend now towards using "Islamic extremism" (which is will encompass a larger group of muslims i.e. insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan and terrorists orgs like Al-Qieda. Whereas before, U.S. was targetting only those terror orgs (for the events of 911).

[shinerbock]

Islamic terror orgs= hezbollah, AQ, PLO, hamas, Muslim b-hood, etc, etc.

[RU OX Alum]

PLO =/= terrorist

[kstar]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

PLO =/= terrorist

PLO did equal terrorist. While they are trying to develop into a legitimate political organization, their roots will always be grounded in terrorism.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Islamic terror orgs= hezbollah, AQ, PLO, hamas, Muslim b-hood, etc, etc.

Yeah, but I asked Blueangel specifically.