Christian terrorists hijack a plane

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Reposting this from the other thread for DSTChaos:

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I agree that there are extremists in many religions. All one has to do is look at the Crusades, or the Salem Witch trials.... hence, why I'm not a fan of organized religion.

However, and maybe Opi can chime in here... what is one to think about Islam when the final words of Mohammed to his disciples was, "I was ordered to fight all men until they say, "There is no god but Allah."

and, in Qur'an :39 it says, "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah." and "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief --non Muslims) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone."

and in Ishaq :587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak and faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violenty before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight unti our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."

Perhaps I'm not reading these quotes correctly, but it doesn't seem like a faith of tolerance and peace. Opi.. could you please clarify?

Fight, onslaught, mutilate, plunder = literal or figurative? spiritual warfare or physical/actual warfare?

Any religious doctrine could be interpreted as intolerant and not peaceful. Christian doctrine says things like love thy neighbor (and so does the doctrine of other faiths...I believe the Q'uran has similar teachings) but Christianity isn't necessarily tolerant or peaceful toward 1) nonbelievers and 2) people with certain lifestyles. Depending on how Scripture is interpreted and what crazies get a hold of certain interpretations, we could see (even more) crazy Christians running around oppressing and killing people in the names of Jesus and God.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Fight, onslaught, mutilate, plunder = literal or figurative? spiritual warfare or physical/actual warfare?

Any religious doctrine could be interpreted as intolerant and not peaceful. Christian doctrine says things like love thy neighbor (and so does the doctrine of other faiths...I believe the Q'uran has similar teachings) but Christianity isn't necessarily tolerant or peaceful toward 1) nonbelievers and 2) people with certain lifestyles. Depending on how Scripture is interpreted and what crazies get a hold of certain interpretations, we could see (even more) crazy Christians running around oppressing and killing people in the names of Jesus and God.

I agree with your point. Just look at the Christian extremists who bombed abortion clinics.

Many passages in the Bible.. both in the New and Old Testament can be interpreted many ways. That's why I was asking for an interpretation of these passages in the Q'uran.

But, could there possibly be a peaceful interpretation of the above quoted Q'uran passages? It seems to be all about "forcing" others to convert.. not about "witnessing" or "spreading the word."

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by blueangel

But, could there possibly be a peaceful interpretation of the above quoted Q'uran passages? It seems to be all about "forcing" others to convert.. not about "witnessing" or "spreading the word."

Many Christians believe in forced conversion, particular the earlier missionary efforts. Witnessing and spreading the word can be very forceful and frightening depending on who the person witnessing is and who the person being witnessed to feels about it.

Either case, there's nothing "peaceful" about figurative warfare. But it doesn't make it any less figurative.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Many Christians believe in forced conversion, particular the earlier missionary efforts. Witnessing and spreading the word can be very forceful and frightening depending on who the person witnessing is and who the person being witnessed to feels about it.

Either case, there's nothing "peaceful" about figurative warfare. But it doesn't make it any less figurative.

I have not seen a Christian behead anyone to force them to convert. Have you?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by blueangel

I have not seen a Christian behead anyone to force them to convert. Have you?

No, they just burned them alive instead. So much better!

Nancy Grace is a "law reporter" as well, but that doesn't mean she's not a bumbling idiot.

[Taualumna]

When it was revealed that Catholic priests had been molesting children for years and years, many Catholics were upset about it, and demanded an apology. When radical Muslims were blowing up airplanes or doing other inappropriate things, few Muslims spoke up. Why is that?

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Taualumna

When it was revealed that Catholic priests had been molesting children for years and years, many Catholics were upset about it, and demanded an apology. When radical Muslims were blowing up airplanes or doing other inappropriate things, few Muslims spoke up. Why is that?

I call Bullsh*t!

I'm sorry did I miss something? Cause I do remember all of the Canadian Muslim orgs. condemning 9/11... in fact the Star ran the page of Imam's names condemning it. Further after the London bombing it was a nearby Mosque that organized a "safe area" for first response counselling and arranged for car transport for victims from the scene -> followed of course by the wide denouncements the next day and through-out the week. What kind or level of a denouncement were you expecting, or what would be "acceptable" condemnation?

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

No, they just burned them alive instead. So much better!

Nancy Grace is a "law reporter" as well, but that doesn't mean she's not a bumbling idiot.

And having been a "law reporter" myself, I can say that it in no way correlates to significant legal knowledge, let alone knowledge to critique the methods of attorneys.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Nancy Grace is a "law reporter" as well, but that doesn't mean she's not a bumbling idiot.

LOL @ Nancy Grace. She's an example of "Those who can, do. Those who can't, report, if by "report" we mean go on endless biased rants about evil, evil defendants."

That said, I have no idea what law reporters have to do with this thread.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

LOL @ Nancy Grace. She's an example of "Those who can, do. Those who can't, report, if by "report" we mean go on endless biased rants about evil, evil defendants."

That said, I have no idea what law reporters have to do with this thread.

blueangel brought up her status as a "law reporter" to seem more credible.

This is my favorite law reporter. What's yours?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by blueangel

I have not seen a Christian behead anyone to force them to convert. Have you?

Yes.

[shinerbock]

We Christians really gotta stop blowing stuff up. Its getting out of hand.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

We Christians really gotta stop shooting abortion doctors in the face, destroying federal buildings, and creating white supremecist organizations based on the "word of God." Its getting out of hand.

fixed?

This really isn't that difficult a concept, guys - we're going in circles, everyone has skeletons in the closet. The question is whether the media handles Muslim skeletons in a different manner than Christian ones, not whether they're literally analogous.

It's not a pissing contest.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

We Christians really gotta stop blowing stuff up. Its getting out of hand.

We're so perfect that even our hijacking attempts are cool.