Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It is in the eye of the beholder isnt it?

Since when is AI only a Sorority idea?

Granted, there are more Female AIs than Males on Site does not mean that We as Fraternitys do not.

Exactly. Let the NPC sororities run AI the way they want to without any input from you, and since you care so much about AI, work with your fraternity on improving/changing your AI policy.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Exactly. Let the NPC sororities run AI the way they want to without any input from you, and since you care so much about AI, work with your fraternity on improving/changing your AI policy.

It is not just that, but all of the things that have gone on considering the AI idea and some of the things taht have been said about them and the PNAI people which has belittled them.

They end up working harder than a bunch of women going through Formal Rush and are not given enough credit for what they are doing and why.

I have seen so many great women on GC who have gone through GC and working very hard to help their New Sisters and then are belittled and degraded by being AIs who just went shopping.

What is Formal Recruitment but just the same thing but easier.


Hi, I am Sally and I am really liking XYX and I want to be a Sister?

Yes, I can post on this thread with my oppinion as I can on any as a member of GC.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It is not just that, but all of the things that have gone on considering the AI idea and some of the things taht have been said about them and the PNAI people which has belittled them.

You are not the PNAI's father. Blueangel is not their mother. It is neither of your jobs to stick up for and support every single PNAI that stumbles accross GC.

They end up working harder than a bunch of women going through Formal Rush and are not given enough credit for what they are doing and why.

again I have to ask- why do you care? they aren't trying to join your organization

I have seen so many great women on GC who have gone through GC and working very hard to help their New Sisters and then are belittled and degraded by being AIs who just went shopping.

again, none of your business

What is Formal Recruitment but just the same thing but easier.

I have neither the time nor the energy to pull up all of the quotes that prove that AI and Formal Recruitment ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!! (There it's in big LXA colors. Maybe now you will get it.)

[UGAalum94]

I'm not part of the collective agreement that discussion of AI is discussion of membership selection, at least in the sense that it must be kept secret. There are open parts of the process as well as secret, at least in some GLOs. You may consider this point proved, but I don’t.

I have no strong feelings about AI as a process, but if a woman who joined through AI wanted to share her story, I would consider it as valid as a rush story or a COB story. She would be sharing her path to Alpha Gamma Delta as she experienced it, and as she went through through the process, she would be unlikely to know any secret information. After she went through it, she would be as bound by our ritual as any member not to share any secrets of AI membership selection.

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I don’t think things should be deleted that don’t violate the TOS or the rules of the particular group being discussed. If you create the expectation that sub-forums or threads can be deleted if several very vocal people demand it, this site will be less helpful and less interesting.

If you represent your group, regulate the activity of your group, but don’t try to limit the discussion for others.

I just want to add: Had the idea of creating an AI forum for each group rather than one for all been the only focus of this thread, I probably would have been down with that. But because that idea has alternated with an "AI shouldn't even be discussed online ever" argument, it's a little suspicious to me now.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I hadn't realized we even had an AI forum until all the drama started. I've read posts about PNAMs journeys but I thought it was all part of the general Alumi forum.


Ooooooo....had another thought for Tom. The forum is the ALUMNAE forum. Last I checked, that means it's for the ladies. I nominate Tom to moderate an ALUMI fourum for any collegiate alumnus who wishes to pursue membership in an IFC/NIC group. I'm sure he'll be thrilled to show men the way down the golden road to fraternity membership. Oh, and just to beat him to it, he has previously posted, basically, that he agrees not every singler person in the world should join a GLO.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I don’t think things should be deleted that don’t violate the TOS or the rules of the particular group being discussed. If you create the expectation that sub-forums or threads can be deleted if several very vocal people demand it, this site will be less helpful and less interesting.

Funnily enough, there are certain people on here who do believe posts/threads should be deleted because they're personally offended, not because the thread itself is offensive as a whole. That sort of behaviour should also be nipped in the bud because it discourages discourse, which you yourself disagree with.
Moderators should be left to do their jobs and decide which threads should stay or go.
Honestly, I am not sure why this forum exists purely because-the general opinion here is that AI is a private process for each GLO. Therefore, what information can this forum provide other than, 'you need to speak with that GLO or a member privately.'
What purpose does this forum have if people are told the same thing over and over?

[greekalum]

That's the point, Alphagamuga. I don't care if someone in another organization wants to post their story. I don't think anyone does. What I care about is someone posting, "I am trying to join either Princess Leia or Han Solo or maybe Luke Skywalker.. OMG Princess Leia has not written me back" and then people who are NOT members of Princess Leia and have NO idea what that organizations' policies may be posting, "OMG I hope they call you! GOOD LUCK!"

No, the person attempting this would not get as warm a reception if she was posting her story in the forums of the actual organizations. But I think there is a good reason for that.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Had the idea of creating an AI forum for each group rather than one for all been the only focus of this thread, I probably would have been down with that.

You are quite possibly the only person on here who thinks that it's a good idea. Many people feel that GC has expanded the interest for AI too quickly. If we create 26 separate AI forums, it will give off the impression that "yes we do AI, we welcome all, please come shop around, and ask us all of your questions."

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

You are quite possibly the only person on here who thinks that it's a good idea. Many people feel that GC has expanded the interest for AI too quickly. If we create 26 separate AI forums, it will give off the impression that "yes we do AI, we welcome all, please come shop around, and ask us all of your questions."

Well, my point was that I wouldn't object to restructuring the forums to limit abuse of AI, but I object most strongly to the "I don't like this discussion, so I'm going to shut it down" approach many people seemed to be taking.

Each group having its own forum would mean each group could control the flow of AI information out there and yet not supress the discussion of other groups.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Each group having its own forum would mean each group could control the flow of AI information out there and yet not supress the discussion of other groups.

Please read my post again. Each group having its own forum would mean there would be too many requests out there. In 26 different forums.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Well, my point was that I wouldn't object to restructuring the forums to limit abuse of AI, but I object most strongly to the "I don't like this discussion, so I'm going to shut it down" approach many people seemed to be taking.

Each group having its own forum would mean each group could control the flow of AI information out there and yet not supress the discussion of other groups.

Not every group has a moderator to control the individual forums. I'm fine with a sticky somewhere on GC that says basically some groups do and some don't and if you want more info to contact the nearest flesh and blood member that you actually know. There's not even a need in my opinion to actually list which groups do or do not AI. Come to think of it, I nominate practically any member of the D9 to whip this into shape. 'Cause once again, D9 intake and AI are probably where the NPHC and NPC can best see eye to eye.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Each group having its own forum would mean each group could control the flow of AI information out there and yet not supress the discussion of other groups.

That is true, but the problem is that then the world would know which GC users were pursuing AI in a given sorority. It would remove any privacy or anonymity for those seeking advice, and I don't know any GLO member who would be willing to moderate a forum where people come to seek a form of membership that is not traditionally open for people to seek on their own.

You would basically either need to have moderators that were not GLO-members and could not be of assistance, or you would be asking GLO members to take on a task that their GLO headquarters would not want them to perform.

Worst of all- you would be setting up a whole section of GC that IMPLIES there is an AI recruitment process for people to pursue. This is just not reality.

AI is a private invitation- it is not rush.

AI is a process- it is not a class of member. All initiated members are equal.

Separate it out, and you imply either of the above when neither is the case.

The more I think about this, the real difficulty is that there is no control over the propriety of asking about AI.

Rushees are under strict rush rules and have an incentive to be discreet and respectful of the process.

AI candidates have no such restrictions, so you have the few who are pursuing it in the right way and just want some advice or a place to share their stories AND you also have those who are seeking AI for the wrong reasons and have no trouble saying whatever they want- or even spreading false information about a given GLO.

To point it out a third time- the comment made above about Gamma Phi Beta being an "easy place to AI" was a slap in the face to every sister in that fine organization who was ever graced with initiation in honor of her service and sisterhood.

You and Tom are correct that there does not necessarily need to be restriction on free speech on this forum. What goes or doesn't go is up to the forum owner.

But AI candidates have come here and made false statements, gotten upset at honest guidance about their chances based on how they present their case and in some cases have actually made unpleasant remarks about chapters and how they want to "change things" as AIs.

At this point, it becomes a PR issue for the GLO and for all members of that GLO who post here.

For the most part it is what it is- this is the internet. But if someone ever came here and was posting without discretion about wanting to AI into my organization without even having a connection or past work to earn it- I would get at least as upset as some others have in the past on this forum when someone was showing a lack of respect for their GLO.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I'm not part of the collective agreement that discussion of AI is discussion of membership selection, at least in the sense that it must be kept secret. There are open parts of the process as well as secret, at least in some GLOs. You may consider this point proved, but I don’t.

I have no strong feelings about AI as a process, but if a woman who joined through AI wanted to share her story, I would consider it as valid as a rush story or a COB story. She would be sharing her path to Alpha Gamma Delta as she experienced it, and as she went through through the process, she would be unlikely to know any secret information. After she went through it, she would be as bound by our ritual as any member not to share any secrets of AI membership selection.

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I don’t think things should be deleted that don’t violate the TOS or the rules of the particular group being discussed. If you create the expectation that sub-forums or threads can be deleted if several very vocal people demand it, this site will be less helpful and less interesting.

If you represent your group, regulate the activity of your group, but don’t try to limit the discussion for others.

I just want to add: Had the idea of creating an AI forum for each group rather than one for all been the only focus of this thread, I probably would have been down with that. But because that idea has alternated with an "AI shouldn't even be discussed online ever" argument, it's a little suspicious to me now.

Then please start sharing your group's information. I would love to hear it.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

Then please start sharing your group's information. I would love to hear it.

Well, since you are apparently already in a NPC group, you aren't eligible, but what is it you would like to know?

Really, I think I've been pretty forthcoming about how this isn't a topic near and dear to me, but there is some public information about AI.

I get the feeling, SmartBlondeGPhB, that you're just trying to be smart, but yes, if somebody asked me something that A) I knew and B) believed to be public, I'd tell her.

[UGAalum94]

I feel like I'm in a conversation that I'm tired of having, and yet I feel obligated to response to posts that address my ideas. If you want me to post to answer a question (I mean I'm not running away mad or scared), please PM and let me know, because in my case with this issue, silence doesn't mean approval (or that I am unwilling to respond); it just means I'm worn out and bored at the same time. I want to quit watching this thread, please don't think me rude.

I think having open communication is more valuable that trying to control discussion of AI. I think I'm on the record with that.

Good luck!