Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[UGAalum94]

Some of you who want this forum deleted seem really comfortable speaking for everyone.

Some seem to think that because they don't like the direction of some of the threads that they should be able to eliminate the possibility of posting.


Why can't the forum exist and you request that the posts the violate the wishes of your whole organization get deleted?


Why should your desires on the issue trump the wishes of other people to post, as long as they are not violating the rules of their groups?

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Why can't the forum exist and you request that the posts the violate the wishes of your whole organization get deleted?

Because moderating this forum shouldn't be a full time job and the AI membership process should not be posted on the internet.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Because moderating this forum shouldn't be a full time job and the AI membership process should not be posted on the internet.

And deleting the subforum would keep it for being posted on the internet how?



Again, you may speak for your group, but how can you speak for others?

[adpiucf]

No subforum and the deletion of AI stories. Lock threads with AI queries and give instructions to contact a sorority member IRL. It's not a hard concept.

I can speak for myself and whomever I please on the web without typing out all of my credentials. Thanks.

Originally Posted by adpiucf

No subforum and the deletion of AI stories. Lock threads with AI queries and give instructions to contact a sorority member IRL. It's not a hard concept.

I can speak for myself and whomever I please on the web without typing out all of my credentials. Thanks.

If it deals with this AI subform, feel free to speak on my behalf as well.

[tunatartare]

Tom, I have to ask, why are you so interested in what goes on in the HQ's of other organizations, sororities in particular? Is it that you want to be in one or something? Why do you care about promoting AI into NPC sororities? Mind LXA's business, and make sure that there are no problems within your organization before you start telling other organizations how they should conduct their business.

[UGAalum94]

But if the other groups don't require the information to be withheld in such a way, aren't you infringing on other people's expression unnecessarily?

I apologize if it seemed that I was asking for your credentials. I was really questioning why you thought it was appropriate to limit others' speech in this way.


If you would like the ADPi policy to be what you described, that's one thing. I assume you know the wishes of your group. But all groups may not share your position.

(Don't you think it would take even more effort from the mods. to do what you described rather than have one forum to keep an eye on?)

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But if the other groups don't require the information to be withheld in such a way, aren't you infringing on other people's expression unnecessarily?

I apologize if it seemed that I was asking for your credentials. I was really questioning why you thought it was appropriate to limit others' speech in this way.


If you would like the ADPi policy to be what you described, that's one thing. I assume you know the wishes of your group. But all groups may not share your position.

(Don't you think it would take even more effort from the mods. to do what you described rather than have one forum to keep an eye on?)

We've come to a collective agreement in the course of these discussions that discussing AI is akin to discussing membership selection-- which for all of us is ritual. Across the board, there is no NPC group holding AI as open recruitment. I don't think this makes more effort for the mods. They mod their own forums and delete inappropriate content as it is posted.

AI isn't for people who stumble onto GC and learn about it. It's for the Greek moms, real life sisters and real life friends and charity volunteers who support our organizations and philanthropies, and who are nominated for the honor. AI, in its current form, for most of the NPCs, means we come to YOU and invite you. It's not about poking your head in the door and seeing if anyone is home. It's about being invited to come home.

I used to be an international officer for my sorority. Part of my role involved the support and approval of AI candidates. I thought it would be great to try to more aggressively promote this program to our members and to try to find women in different areas and connect them with alumnae. And you know what? It was like talking to a brick wall. Yes, most of us do AI. But most of us are really resistant to being matched up with a PNAI or are overwhelmed at the idea itself. I can think of two GC'ers who resided in my district that I tried to put in touch with a local alumnae group. The alumnae just weren't interested.

AI isn't recruitment. It doesn't belong in a recruitment forum. And right now, it doesn't need promoting. We've talked about Sorority Shopping... It's like people soliciting a Lifetime Acheivement Award for themselves instead of having the honor conferred upon them.

AI isn't recruitment, isn't the future, and doesn't need a sub-forum.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

We've come to a collective agreement in the course of these discussions that discussing AI is akin to discussing membership selection-- which for all of us is ritual. Across the board, there is no NPC group holding AI as open recruitment. I don't think this makes more effort for the mods. They mod their own forums and delete inappropriate content as it is posted.

AI isn't for people who stumble onto GC and learn about it. It's for the Greek moms, real life sisters and real life friends and charity volunteers who support our organizations and philanthropies, and who are nominated for the honor. AI, in its current form, for most of the NPCs, means we come to YOU and invite you. It's not about poking your head in the door and seeing if anyone is home. It's about being invited to come home.

I used to be an international officer for my sorority. Part of my role involved the support and approval of AI candidates. I thought it would be great to try to more aggressively promote this program to our members and to try to find women in different areas and connect them with alumnae. And you know what? It was like talking to a brick wall. Yes, most of us do AI. But most of us are really resistant to being matched up with a PNAI or are overwhelmed at the idea itself. I can think of two GC'ers who resided in my district that I tried to put in touch with a local alumnae group. The alumnae just weren't interested.

AI isn't recruitment. It doesn't belong in a recruitment forum. And right now, it doesn't need promoting. We've talked about Sorority Shopping... It's like people soliciting a Lifetime Acheivement Award for themselves instead of having the honor conferred upon them.

AI isn't recruitment, isn't the future, and doesn't need a sub-forum.

Will you autograph my soapbox? I love you and want to frame this post!

[AXO Alum]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

It's not about poking your head in the door and seeing if anyone is home. It's about being invited to come home.

^^^ = my.new.siggy

[greekalum]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But if the other groups don't require the information to be withheld in such a way, aren't you infringing on other people's expression unnecessarily?

I apologize if it seemed that I was asking for your credentials. I was really questioning why you thought it was appropriate to limit others' speech in this way.


If you would like the ADPi policy to be what you described, that's one thing. I assume you know the wishes of your group. But all groups may not share your position.

(Don't you think it would take even more effort from the mods. to do what you described rather than have one forum to keep an eye on?)

Which is why AI discussions should belong in the pertinent organizations' forum. Each organization's members can then determine what course discussion takes as pertains to AI for THEIR organization. AI is not like recruitment where all 26 organizations have bonded together to follow certain procedures.

Also, Tom, I don't think anyone has denigrated actual AIs for "shopping." People have pointed out certain self proclaimed PNAIs (emphasis on the P) who appear to be doing this, and I bet the likelihood of any of these women joining an NPC organization is slim to none. We don't want to encourage women to pursue fool's errands, and we don't want women who are clearly a poor match for AI embarassing themselves and giving more unfit women the idea that this is something for everyone.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But if the other groups don't require the information to be withheld in such a way, aren't you infringing on other people's expression unnecessarily?

I think someone mentioned one solution of allowing each sorority to have its own AI sticky/thread, if it chooses to and if such a forum wouldn't violate their policies.

This will prevent the whole "that's not OUR policy" and "how can you speak for EVERYONE" thing altogether.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I think someone mentioned one solution of allowing each sorority to have its own AI sticky/thread, if it chooses to and if such a forum wouldn't violate their policies.

This will prevent the whole "that's not OUR policy" and "how can you speak for EVERYONE" thing altogether.

Well, in my mind it would. I would assume that the authority to regulate the AI forums if they were assigned in the GLO sections would rest with that forum moderator. I also think that IHQ probably could contact the moderator if they were concerned about what was posted.


OTW, I think the stuff from the Quarterly is probably fair game. As would be the experiences of AI members who explained how the process went for them. Really, it would depend on the question asked. But I don't think the program itself is secret. Invitation only, yes; secret, no.

It seems to me that IHQ should make their contempt for Greek Chat more public. Maybe I'll get a PM from them pointing out the error of my ways.

I think the same general guidelines that work for the forum generally could work in an AI forum. There are some areas that are clearly understood to be ritual and secret. There are some areas which are considered bad taste or un-panhellenic, but allowed. There are some areas which are completely open.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But if the other groups don't require the information to be withheld in such a way, aren't you infringing on other people's expression unnecessarily?

I have yet to see a GLO member (besides Tom) on GC jump up and say "Here's our AI information!! Here's our AI information!!". And being that this is the ALUMNEA INITIATION forum, Tom volunteering LXA AI info doesn't count.

Nice try, but it's moot point.

[Tom Earp]

It is in the eye of the beholder isnt it?

Since when is AI only a Sorority idea?

Granted, there are more Female AIs than Males on Site does not mean that We as Fraternitys do not.

The AI Thread adpiucf is an open forum isnt it? I am not intruding on any forum that is not allowed. No, it should not be a full time job, but from one who was there and seeing what is being done to the current MODs, it sucks and is wrong. Oh, isnt it?

ariesrising, thank you for your input.

SoCalGirl, some good points. But it is not that I said the AIing is something new did I?


33girl, more so than the ones who have who do not deem it to be closed?



Alphagamuga, thank you for a sensible post!