Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[Tom Earp]

It is in the eye of the beholder isnt it?

Since when is AI only a Sorority idea?

Granted, there are more Female AIs than Males on Site does not mean that We as Fraternitys do not.

The AI Thread adpiucf is an open forum isnt it? I am not intruding on any forum that is not allowed. No, it should not be a full time job, but from one who was there and seeing what is being done to the current MODs, it sucks and is wrong. Oh, isnt it?

ariesrising, thank you for your input.

SoCalGirl, some good points. But it is not that I said the AIing is something new did I?


33girl, more so than the ones who have who do not deem it to be closed?



Alphagamuga, thank you for a sensible post!

[Taualumna]

But Tom, you aren't answering KLPDaisy's question!

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It is in the eye of the beholder isnt it?

Since when is AI only a Sorority idea?

Granted, there are more Female AIs than Males on Site does not mean that We as Fraternitys do not.

Exactly. Let the NPC sororities run AI the way they want to without any input from you, and since you care so much about AI, work with your fraternity on improving/changing your AI policy.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

Exactly. Let the NPC sororities run AI the way they want to without any input from you, and since you care so much about AI, work with your fraternity on improving/changing your AI policy.

It is not just that, but all of the things that have gone on considering the AI idea and some of the things taht have been said about them and the PNAI people which has belittled them.

They end up working harder than a bunch of women going through Formal Rush and are not given enough credit for what they are doing and why.

I have seen so many great women on GC who have gone through GC and working very hard to help their New Sisters and then are belittled and degraded by being AIs who just went shopping.

What is Formal Recruitment but just the same thing but easier.


Hi, I am Sally and I am really liking XYX and I want to be a Sister?

Yes, I can post on this thread with my oppinion as I can on any as a member of GC.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

It is not just that, but all of the things that have gone on considering the AI idea and some of the things taht have been said about them and the PNAI people which has belittled them.

You are not the PNAI's father. Blueangel is not their mother. It is neither of your jobs to stick up for and support every single PNAI that stumbles accross GC.

They end up working harder than a bunch of women going through Formal Rush and are not given enough credit for what they are doing and why.

again I have to ask- why do you care? they aren't trying to join your organization

I have seen so many great women on GC who have gone through GC and working very hard to help their New Sisters and then are belittled and degraded by being AIs who just went shopping.

again, none of your business

What is Formal Recruitment but just the same thing but easier.

I have neither the time nor the energy to pull up all of the quotes that prove that AI and Formal Recruitment ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!! (There it's in big LXA colors. Maybe now you will get it.)

[UGAalum94]

I'm not part of the collective agreement that discussion of AI is discussion of membership selection, at least in the sense that it must be kept secret. There are open parts of the process as well as secret, at least in some GLOs. You may consider this point proved, but I don’t.

I have no strong feelings about AI as a process, but if a woman who joined through AI wanted to share her story, I would consider it as valid as a rush story or a COB story. She would be sharing her path to Alpha Gamma Delta as she experienced it, and as she went through through the process, she would be unlikely to know any secret information. After she went through it, she would be as bound by our ritual as any member not to share any secrets of AI membership selection.

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I don’t think things should be deleted that don’t violate the TOS or the rules of the particular group being discussed. If you create the expectation that sub-forums or threads can be deleted if several very vocal people demand it, this site will be less helpful and less interesting.

If you represent your group, regulate the activity of your group, but don’t try to limit the discussion for others.

I just want to add: Had the idea of creating an AI forum for each group rather than one for all been the only focus of this thread, I probably would have been down with that. But because that idea has alternated with an "AI shouldn't even be discussed online ever" argument, it's a little suspicious to me now.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I hadn't realized we even had an AI forum until all the drama started. I've read posts about PNAMs journeys but I thought it was all part of the general Alumi forum.


Ooooooo....had another thought for Tom. The forum is the ALUMNAE forum. Last I checked, that means it's for the ladies. I nominate Tom to moderate an ALUMI fourum for any collegiate alumnus who wishes to pursue membership in an IFC/NIC group. I'm sure he'll be thrilled to show men the way down the golden road to fraternity membership. Oh, and just to beat him to it, he has previously posted, basically, that he agrees not every singler person in the world should join a GLO.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I don’t think things should be deleted that don’t violate the TOS or the rules of the particular group being discussed. If you create the expectation that sub-forums or threads can be deleted if several very vocal people demand it, this site will be less helpful and less interesting.

Funnily enough, there are certain people on here who do believe posts/threads should be deleted because they're personally offended, not because the thread itself is offensive as a whole. That sort of behaviour should also be nipped in the bud because it discourages discourse, which you yourself disagree with.
Moderators should be left to do their jobs and decide which threads should stay or go.
Honestly, I am not sure why this forum exists purely because-the general opinion here is that AI is a private process for each GLO. Therefore, what information can this forum provide other than, 'you need to speak with that GLO or a member privately.'
What purpose does this forum have if people are told the same thing over and over?

[greekalum]

That's the point, Alphagamuga. I don't care if someone in another organization wants to post their story. I don't think anyone does. What I care about is someone posting, "I am trying to join either Princess Leia or Han Solo or maybe Luke Skywalker.. OMG Princess Leia has not written me back" and then people who are NOT members of Princess Leia and have NO idea what that organizations' policies may be posting, "OMG I hope they call you! GOOD LUCK!"

No, the person attempting this would not get as warm a reception if she was posting her story in the forums of the actual organizations. But I think there is a good reason for that.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Had the idea of creating an AI forum for each group rather than one for all been the only focus of this thread, I probably would have been down with that.

You are quite possibly the only person on here who thinks that it's a good idea. Many people feel that GC has expanded the interest for AI too quickly. If we create 26 separate AI forums, it will give off the impression that "yes we do AI, we welcome all, please come shop around, and ask us all of your questions."

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

You are quite possibly the only person on here who thinks that it's a good idea. Many people feel that GC has expanded the interest for AI too quickly. If we create 26 separate AI forums, it will give off the impression that "yes we do AI, we welcome all, please come shop around, and ask us all of your questions."

Well, my point was that I wouldn't object to restructuring the forums to limit abuse of AI, but I object most strongly to the "I don't like this discussion, so I'm going to shut it down" approach many people seemed to be taking.

Each group having its own forum would mean each group could control the flow of AI information out there and yet not supress the discussion of other groups.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I'm not part of the collective agreement that discussion of AI is discussion of membership selection, at least in the sense that it must be kept secret. There are open parts of the process as well as secret, at least in some GLOs. You may consider this point proved, but I don’t.

I have no strong feelings about AI as a process, but if a woman who joined through AI wanted to share her story, I would consider it as valid as a rush story or a COB story. She would be sharing her path to Alpha Gamma Delta as she experienced it, and as she went through through the process, she would be unlikely to know any secret information. After she went through it, she would be as bound by our ritual as any member not to share any secrets of AI membership selection.

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

I don’t think things should be deleted that don’t violate the TOS or the rules of the particular group being discussed. If you create the expectation that sub-forums or threads can be deleted if several very vocal people demand it, this site will be less helpful and less interesting.

If you represent your group, regulate the activity of your group, but don’t try to limit the discussion for others.

I just want to add: Had the idea of creating an AI forum for each group rather than one for all been the only focus of this thread, I probably would have been down with that. But because that idea has alternated with an "AI shouldn't even be discussed online ever" argument, it's a little suspicious to me now.

Then please start sharing your group's information. I would love to hear it.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

Then please start sharing your group's information. I would love to hear it.

Well, since you are apparently already in a NPC group, you aren't eligible, but what is it you would like to know?

Really, I think I've been pretty forthcoming about how this isn't a topic near and dear to me, but there is some public information about AI.

I get the feeling, SmartBlondeGPhB, that you're just trying to be smart, but yes, if somebody asked me something that A) I knew and B) believed to be public, I'd tell her.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

But to be honest, I never much read the AI forum, and I don’t think I’d personally miss it if it were gone. I’m more concerned with the effort to suppress speech that you just don’t like, or you just don’t think should be out there.

Wow.

If you haven't read the AI forum, and some of the past stories/posters that got people to the point of not wanting to have anything about AI on here at all, then you REALLY don't have the right to voice an opinion.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I have seen so many great women on GC who have gone through GC and working very hard to help their New Sisters and then are belittled and degraded by being AIs who just went shopping.

Tom, help me out. I think you're trying to say that there are women on GC who degrade AIs. Can you to point me to these posts? I've certainly not seen that. Yes, AIs are also represented in the "not so popular" group of posters on GC but I don't believe I've seen a post that belittled or degraded a woman b/c she's an AI. Posters can earn that pleasure regardless of how they got their letters or even without letters. Just so were on the same page...an AI is an actual member of a sorority that was initiated after her collegiate years where as a PNAM is a woman who may or may not one day be asked to join a sorority.