Getting a Bid from Someone You Didn't Pref

[UGAalum94]

It surely would seem to help the small chapters, but the situation that TxGirl described basically cut the non-quota making groups out of the process, I thought.

But I guess if quota additions are only for girls who maximized options, the girls who preffed the smaller chapters would have already matched to them through regular big matching or they wouldn't be eligible for quota additions because they didn't list the smaller group on the bid card.

Do school still give girls the option to "regret with interest" when they've been invited back to more pref parties than the schedule allows them to attend?

Would it be considered bad form or prohibited for groups who were interesed in a girl who declined their pref. party in favor of another "with interest" to put this girl on their bid list? Is this situation partially what happens when girls match where they don't pref?

In that case girls could still create back up options (sort of a way to say, "I'd take snap bids from these other groups" in advance) without being at the mercy of Greek life.

[BamaDad DZ]

At the University of Alabama, my daughter received more invitations back than she could attend at each stage, including six invitations for preference day when she was allowed only three. During each round she was able to decline "with interest" which I assume permitted her to be eligible for re-consideration if things didn't work out with her original selections.

[TxGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Do school still give girls the option to "regret with interest" when they've been invited back to more pref parties than the schedule allows them to attend?

Would it be considered bad form or prohibited for groups who were interesed in a girl who declined their pref. party in favor of another "with interest" to put this girl on their bid list? Is this situation partially what happens when girls match where they don't pref?

In that case girls could still create back up options (sort of a way to say, "I'd take snap bids from these other groups" in advance) without being at the mercy of Greek life.

At some campuses you can still regret with interest. I don't know if this is compatable with the RFM. I do know that reinviting a woman that declined your invite to a prior round (even if she was regret with interest) doesn't really work and that it messes up the statistics used.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by TxGirl

At some campuses you can still regret with interest. I don't know if this is compatable with the RFM. I do know that reinviting a woman that declined your invite to a prior round (even if she was regret with interest) doesn't really work and that it messes up the statistics used.

Can you tell me more about this?

Let's imagine a system with first, second, third and prefs. Let's say a PNM receives invites to second round from 10 groups but at her campus, during second round you can only go to eight parties. Let's imagine that she likes almost all the groups, but she has to cut some. Now, imagine that after second round, she's not invited back to the maximum number of parties (let's say four) and she only gets invited back to three. Why would it not work for her to be able to be reinvited by one of the groups that she liked and that liked her if they wanted her to attend? It seems like it would be good all the way around.

I know that there are groups that PNM cut because they know they don't want bids, but if the PNM is still interested once she's cut by other groups and the group is still interested, what's the harm?

I want to stress that I don't think that girls should ever be matched to groups that they haven't indicated they'd take bids from. But why not allow people to keep all their options as long as both parties are interested?

[Tom Earp]

This seems as a problem at some schools?

God, it may be easier to tell them all to forget it? Who needs this?

If they are not good enough then they are not.

But if they are, well, why put a YOUNG FEMALE through all of the pressure?

They can and will be accepted, yes?

[AGDLynn]

I think that if a group has an open space that they can invite and still like
(or haven't found sufficient enough reason to totally cut), why not give her a chance. They might end up liking her more than someone they thought they liked better.

Of course, inviting to Pref is an entirely different bowl of cherries.

[TxGirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Let's imagine a system with first, second, third and prefs. Let's say a PNM receives invites to second round from 10 groups but at her campus, during second round you can only go to eight parties. Let's imagine that she likes almost all the groups, but she has to cut some. Now, imagine that after second round, she's not invited back to the maximum number of parties (let's say four) and she only gets invited back to three. Why would it not work for her to be able to be reinvited by one of the groups that she liked and that liked her if they wanted her to attend? It seems like it would be good all the way around.

I know that there are groups that PNM cut because they know they don't want bids, but if the PNM is still interested once she's cut by other groups and the group is still interested, what's the harm?

Remember, it's in a perfect world that the women that the chapter reinvites are ones that actually have open spaces. Also, a lot of PNM's put down regret with interest b/c they know (through the recruitment grape vine) that chapters see this and it looks better to regret with interest than to just regret. So, they may not really want to go back to the chapter. Of course then you have to factor in all the upset that they have that they didn't get invited back to enough chapters to go to one of their top choices.

All that being said, what usually happens when chapters reinvited (forget the regret with interest part) is that the majority don't come back because they already have a full event schedule (remember this is an accept/regret campus NOT priority). So they see that ABC reinvited them, but they got invites from enough of the chapters they went to prior round to not HAVE to go to ABC unless they want to. The majority don't pick to go back to ABC. What this does to the RFM is basically screw up the return rates for the round in question. This, in turn, can mess with the number the chapter is allowed to invite back for th next round and messes up the stats for the next year.

Take this scenario:

100 - Number of women in recruitment
80 - Number of women ABC has in their pool (meaning the number that came to their last event)
80 - Number of women ABC can invite to the next round

The chapter is not going to be allowed to invite back any more than is in their pool. So, if they want to reinvite, they are release women that actually attended their last event. Their working against the odds with the reinvites.

So say they do this:

70 - Number of women they invite that attend the last event
10 - Number of women they reinvite (with interest women)

If their historical return (which the RFM Specialist has when giving them the number to reinvite or carry) is 75% then they would have about 53 of the 70 come back. The return for reinvites is going to be much lower than this - say 25% so of the other 10 they might get 3 vs. a possible 8 with their historical figure.

So, yes, they might get a few through reinvites. What this also does is make their return rate look lower. They invited 80 and got 56 but they should have had 61. Remember, that's if they even get any of the reinvites. They could get none. So then it looks like they are doing worse than they actually are.

Priority works this differently. With priority the women rank a first choice cluster (if they can go to 8 then 8 are ranked as #1) and the rest in acutal rank order. They do not rank chapters they did not acutally attend - so reinvites won't work at all and again throw off the number for the RFM Specialist.

Sorry for the reallllly long post, but it's hard to explain any shorter!

[SigKapSweetie]

TxGirl - I find that very interesting! UF didn't have regret with interest when I went through, so I've only recently been introduced to the idea, and I'd never really thought about what it would do to return rates. Thanks for sharing.

[UGAalum94]

Thanks for that long explanation. I'm sorry I didn't see it before now.

My experience with rush is from before release figures (or at least before there were rewards for actually following them), so I still had in my mind the idea of a group being able to reinvite as many girls as they wanted to. I wasn't really considering the idea that a reinvite replaced an guest who actually attended the previous round.

I was thinking that reinvites might be a way for a chapter with lower return rates to pick back up girls who might be more interested in that particular chapter after being released by their early favorites after second round.

[aggieAXO]

When I went through rush we could only "regret with interest"-which was annoying b/c if you wanted to cut one of the smaller chapters you really couldn't-their names would always show up on your list the next day and again you would have to pick "regret with interest." This did not help out the smaller chapters at all.