UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

[Soul D-Psi-ple]

Originally Posted by MysticCat81

Translation: I would answer that, but it might show a lack of consistency and logic in what I have already said, so I think I'll just dodge the question altogether.


C'mon. If you say the UGA chapter of Chi Phi should be held accountable for the actions of their pledges, then would you also say that your chapter be held responsible for the actions of your probationary members? Saying, "it would never take place" is simply a dodge.

It's not a dodge. Just know that it would not happen. If it did, then yea, we would have to answer for them. Now regarding drinking, nah. That's an individual thing I believe. If they get caught and none of us are involved, then thats on them. We just have to watch who we choose as our potential members ALOT more closely. But, like I said, that scenario would not happen. Just know that.

And interesting that you would say this:

I think most of us would agree with this.

But earlier, when many of us were asking why the entire chapter should be punished unless it could be shown that the chapter itself was behind what these guys did, you seemed quite willing to condemn the whole chapter simply because a few pledges "weren't mindful of their actions even they knew that OTHERS knew that they were associated with the UGA chapter of Chi Phi."



So which is it? Should the chapter be punished only if the investigation shows the chapter was behind the pledges' actions, or should the chapter be punished regardless because it "represents ignorance"?

No, they need to answer to the 'powers that be' regardless. If found that they are behind the stupidity then, yes. The chapter should be punished.

And by the way, I agree with you that racism is always wrong. I imagine Kevin does, too. But he's exactly right -- there are people who don't agree with the three of us on that. There are even people who think racism is the will of God. Kind of like how many people think abortion is always wrong and against the will of God, but others disagree with them.

Did I answer your questions a little better?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

Did I answer your questions a little better?

Perhaps, and thanks.

But I'm still trying to figure this out. You say of drinking: "That's an individual thing I believe. If they get caught and none of us are involved, then thats on them." Why isn't the same true here if it turns out that the pledges did this on their own, without chapter involvement or encouragement?

As an aside, it appears from reading a number of articles in UGA's The Red and Black that the chapter was suspended not because of the actions of the pledges per se, but because the University is investigating whether the pledges did what they did as a result of hazing. In other words, the investigation seems to be focused on possible hazing rather than on the incredibly stupid (at best) act itself.

[Soul D-Psi-ple]

Originally Posted by MysticCat81

Perhaps, and thanks.

But I'm still trying to figure this out. You say of drinking: "That's an individual thing I believe. If they get caught and none of us are involved, then thats on them." Why isn't the same true here if it turns out that the pledges did this on their own, without chapter involvement or encouragement?


As an aside, it appears from reading a number of articles in UGA's The Red and Black that the chapter was suspended not because of the actions of the pledges per se, but because the University is investigating whether the pledges did what they did as a result of hazing. In other words, the investigation seems to be focused on possible hazing rather than on the incredibly stupid (at best) act itself.

The same is true. It's unfortunate that they are suspended currently, however.


Hazing, hazing, hazing. When will folks learn. You can make potential members earn their letter through a THROROUGH MIP rather than hazing.

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