Rushing rules reg. females

[Kevin]

What do the rules say about having girls escort potentials to all of your rivals house making sure they come back to the right place in the end?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Kevin

What do the rules say about having girls escort potentials to all of your rivals house making sure they come back to the right place in the end?

At Kentucky, there was no rule then, and I don't think there is one now. However, I don't think it could be implemented that well with out raising some eyebrows.

Currently, the fraternities invite a specific sorority chapter to come to their rush party for the night (i.e. ABCs on Monday, DEFs on Tuesday etc.). And some of UK's fraternities rush out of a specific sorority house. As such, it might seem odd to see a member of the ABC sorority hanging out at the DEF sorority house. Or a GH member at a party where the XYZ sorority were the special guests.

Now back in my day, sororities would go around from chapter to chapter showing off their pledge classes. So it wasn't unusual for a new ABC pledge to bring along a rushee to the next house. But often, is was an ABC active, who had ties to the chapter, to escort the rushee back to the house.

[Elephant Walk]

Our formal rush, that is the actual parties, are lady-free. However, the rush parties and so forth are packed full of the creatures.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Gamma Phi Beta's rules (in accordance with NPC) forbid sorority women at fraternity recruitment parties.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

Gamma Phi Beta's rules (in accordance with NPC) forbid sorority women at fraternity recruitment parties.

Is this something recent? The reason I ask is that has not always been the case at Kentucky. As of last year if I'm not mistaken. The UK Campus Panhellenic is very much "by the book" so I would be quite shocked if UK was willingly going to these parties against NPC rules.

And is Gamma Phi Beta's rule applied to the chapter as a whole? Could women - "on their own" - attend if invited. And how is is a fraternity rush party defined? Technically, IFC rush is 24/7. So any event that is "open" (Sigma Chi Derby Day, Greek Sing, Greek Week, Homecoming etc.) can be considered an IFC rush event.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Is this something recent? The reason I ask is that has not always been the case at Kentucky. As of last year if I'm not mistaken. The UK Campus Panhellenic is very much "by the book" so I would be quite shocked if UK was willingly going to these parties against NPC rules.

And is Gamma Phi Beta's rule applied to the chapter as a whole? Could women - "on their own" - attend if invited. And how is is a fraternity rush party defined? Technically, IFC rush is 24/7. So any event that is "open" (Sigma Chi Derby Day, Greek Sing, Greek Week, Homecoming etc.) can be considered an IFC rush event.

Not recent as far as I know. But my Green Book isn't here at work so I can't check it. But then depends what you mean by recent..... And it's the chapter as a whole and individual members.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by SmartBlondeGPhB

Not recent as far as I know. But my Green Book isn't here at work so I can't check it. But then depends what you mean by recent..... And it's the chapter as a whole and individual members.

How about since the turn of the century?

As I recall, the week that rush starts (which is next week) some of the UK fraternity chapters' websites start to list which sorority chapter will be their guests on which night. And for every night of rush, there is a different sorority chapter. This was maybe no more than two years max.

A few more things.

Would this apply to the chapter sweetheart as well?

Also, what about open events like a band party. I'm thinking specifically of campuses with deferred rush. Or say Washington & Lee where every party is suppose to be open to the whole student population. But because rush is delayed, these are - and no doubt about it - rush events. I guess what I'm wondering is if a chapter is invited, does that make a difference. If the event isn't "tagged" as an official rush event - even though everyone knows it is - does that matter?

And one final question if I may. At UK, some of the un-housed and off-campus fraternities rush out of sorority houses. As I understand it, the sorority chapter does not "help" or "participate" at all. But since members live in the house, they might attend the parties. Would that too be a no-no?

Thanks.

[TechTransfer]

We can have no more than ten women at any time at a rush event. Also, we're not allowed to have members of only one particular sorority at an event- if nine of the women are KD's, the tenth can't be. That's actually an improvement- in past years it was no more than five.

[FSUfiji]

at fsu it is encouraged by panhellenic sororities to go out and support IFC rush. Every semester we have rush we have girls from various sororities there to not only look good but to give their opinion to the rushees that come around. Its never a bad thing when the two councils support each other.

[jonnydrillbit]

Originally Posted by FSUfiji

at fsu it is encouraged by panhellenic sororities to go out and support IFC rush. Every semester we have rush we have girls from various sororities there to not only look good but to give their opinion to the rushees that come around. Its never a bad thing when the two councils support each other.

I disagree. Rush is about guys. Its about talking to guys and meeting guys. Meeting girls is great and that comes later, but this is a time for the guys to meet the guys. Guys dont go to sorority recruitment, girls dont belong at fraternity recruitment.

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by jonnydrillbit

I disagree. Rush is about guys. Its about talking to guys and meeting guys. Meeting girls is great and that comes later, but this is a time for the guys to meet the guys. Guys dont go to sorority recruitment, girls dont belong at fraternity recruitment.

Girls can be useful during fraternity recruitment. For the brothers, seeing how a rushee treats a female can be... informative. Also, having ladies present can takes away some from the "interview" feel of rush, making rushees more comfortable.

However, as I think i've said before, females at rush and rush-related events are most helpful when they're actually familar with the fraternity and/or the rushees, not a random sorority.

[jonnydrillbit]

Originally Posted by gtdxeric

Girls can be useful during fraternity recruitment. For the brothers, seeing how a rushee treats a female can be... informative. Also, having ladies present can takes away some from the "interview" feel of rush, making rushees more comfortable.

However, as I think i've said before, females at rush and rush-related events are most helpful when they're actually familar with the fraternity and/or the rushees, not a random sorority.

Yeah thats fine, maybe 2 or 3 sweethearts passing out snacks and meeting the rushees. Some people are telling other people to bring girls with them when they rush, bring lots of girls. Well theres no way that would even be allowed at my school because of the rules, but if theres 2 girls to every 1 guy at a rush event, hell that makes a great party, but a terrible mockery of a rush event.

[EE-BO]

"2 or 3 sweethearts passing out snacks"- nice! Good luck getting respectable and achievement-minded women to respect that viewpoint.

Rush is about a group of men showing potential members that their GLO is a place that winners want to be.

Intelligent, socially adept quality women being present at such events is the ultimate indication that a fraternity's membership are winners who are destined to do well in life- and that is what brings in top rushees. The women who attend fraternity rush events say more about the men of that fraternity than anything else.

And women like that are not going to whore themselves out to rushees or do the other kinds of things that you and- apparently some universities- assume is what happens when women attend rush events. A chapter that brings whores to parties is a bottom tier chapter of people who lack the social manners and skills to be winners- plain and simple. No university rule or feel-good rule about "rush is all about the guys" will ever change that doom.

Well bred and well raised men and women interact at social functions from their earliest days- starting with birthday parties, then etiquette or social training in school or through the local Junior League (at my school we all took ballroom training in 6th grade), then on to high school formals and proms- and then to college.

It makes no sense to suddenly break that up during fraternity rush.

Give me a good reason why there should not be ladies at rush parties- a GOOD reason.

If your reason is a fear of rape, promiscuity etc.- then save it. That just means you have the wrong guys and/or the wrong women in attendance.

Explain to me why quality women are a negative influence in fraternity rush.

[jonnydrillbit]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Give me a good reason why there should not be ladies at rush parties- a GOOD reason.

Here are some of the many reasons why schools have chosen to adopt this policy.

1) Men arent allowed at sorority rush, why is it important to see how the men treat women, but now how women treat men?

2) Some people arent joining a fraternity to meet women. it's just not important to them. some people arent even attracted to women. This needs to be understood and respected.

3) Rush events shouldnt be parties. They shouldnt have alcohol (most schools have dry rush now anyway) and they shouldnt have women or dancing. Rush events should be things like batting cages, poker nights, or nfl screenings. Women are not necessary at these events.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by jonnydrillbit

Rush events should be things like batting cages, poker nights, or nfl screenings. Women are not necessary at these events.

Rush shouldn't be any of those things and I hope there aren't schools promoting that it should be. Rush should be guys having conversations with rushees and maybe a speaker. If some girls want to come hang out and wait for the party after official rush ends that's fine, but they don't have to be there for rush (and like the gimmicky parties, they may actually distract from the purpose of rush and make it difficult to have good conversations with rushees).

I guess the way I look at it, rushees already know that fraternities hang out with girls. In the cases of the better houses, they probably even know what groups of girls it is you hang out with. I don't see a real benefit to girls being at rush other than a house kind of making the statement "look, we hang out with great girls". And I think that should kind of already be a given, and at worst when a rushee asks about the houses social calendar, it isn't too hard to mention what houses you do a lot of stuff with and accomplish the same thing.