NPC Hazing deaths?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by agzg

I for one would prefer credit in whatever papers he's publishing with the information he's trolling on GC for. And by credit I mean monetary compensation.

Is he doing a wikipedia entry?

[agzg]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Is he doing a wikipedia entry?

That's just about the only "article" that GC would be an acceptable source for, IMO.

[Drolefille]

I found it interesting that a very very similar thread was started by him 9 years ago.

And by interesting I mean suspicious.

Made me think a point was attempting to be made, or yes a paper was being written.

[ree-Xi]

OP does a lot of digging around in other people's backyards.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Is he doing a wikipedia entry?

He has changed other organizations' Wiki pages.

He's also working on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...and_Sororities

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I found it interesting that a very very similar thread was started by him 9 years ago.

And by interesting I mean suspicious.

Made me think a point was attempting to be made, or yes a paper was being written.

My suspicions have been raised for quite a while. My gut is usually never wrong.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

OP does a lot of digging around in other people's backyards.



He has changed other organizations' Wiki pages.

He's also working on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...and_Sororities



My suspicions have been raised for quite a while. My gut is usually never wrong.

In regards to suspicions, yes, I am on the Fraternities and Sororities Project, right now I am currently involved with fighting off a jackass who is trying to add specific inappropriate things to the Kappa Sigma Page.

If you want to take a look at my Wikipedia pages, checking out the pages I created and continue to expand on Notable Alpha Phi Omega Brothers, Alpha Phi Omega chapters for both the US and the Philippines and for the Alpha Phi Omega Conventions would be a place to start. (I'm on Alpha Phi Omega's National History Committee).

And with the possible exception of the issue when someone claiming to be (correctly but unverifiably) a Gamma Sigma Sigma board member went through and made unreferenced changes to the Gamma Sigma Sigma page to reflect the change in tone from the schools that founded to the organizations that founded, I don't think any of the changes on Wikipedia that I've made have been controversial in a way that members of GLOs would be on the other side...

If I try this question here on GC every nine years, that paper must have a lot of dust on it...

Of the possible reasons listed for why I asked, Dr Phil's

Is the intent a follow-up to that other hazing thread and to convince aspirants that it isn't so bad, afterall, come join us?

is probably closest.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

Of the possible reasons listed for why I asked, Dr Phil's

Is the intent a follow-up to that other hazing thread and to convince aspirants that it isn't so bad, afterall, come join us?

is probably closest.

I knew that and it's very, extremely, and unfortunately unfortunate.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I knew that and it's very, extremely, and unfortunately unfortunate.

I said it was probably closest, but I wouldn't say that it is actually the reason that I asked. Yes, the spark was the question over on the other thread, but the reason is that I asked myself whether or not I had heard of such a thing and couldn't remember, I thought there might be others who did.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by naraht

In regards to suspicions, yes, I am on the Fraternities and Sororities Project, right now I am currently involved with fighting off a jackass who is trying to add specific inappropriate things to the Kappa Sigma Page.

If you want to take a look at my Wikipedia pages, checking out the pages I created and continue to expand on Notable Alpha Phi Omega Brothers, Alpha Phi Omega chapters for both the US and the Philippines and for the Alpha Phi Omega Conventions would be a place to start. (I'm on Alpha Phi Omega's National History Committee).

And with the possible exception of the issue when someone claiming to be (correctly but unverifiably) a Gamma Sigma Sigma board member went through and made unreferenced changes to the Gamma Sigma Sigma page to reflect the change in tone from the schools that founded to the organizations that founded, I don't think any of the changes on Wikipedia that I've made have been controversial in a way that members of GLOs would be on the other side...

If I try this question here on GC every nine years, that paper must have a lot of dust on it...

Of the possible reasons listed for why I asked, Dr Phil's

Is the intent a follow-up to that other hazing thread and to convince aspirants that it isn't so bad, afterall, come join us?

is probably closest.

Why are you in other groups' pages/business?

Do you monitor every Greek Wiki page to see what is changed and who does it?

You challenged a Gamma Sigma Sigma member - who you said wasn't readily identifiable, because you aren't a member - who updated something on their Wiki page.

As for Kappa Sigma, shouldn't you leave any issues to their members?

What point are you trying to make regarding hazing deaths in sororities? Are you going to speak at convocation for Sorority Recruitment? Write articles on Wikipedia saying that "fraternities and sororities aren't "so bad"? To which audience will you spread your "expertise" (which is not experience-based, rather, a collection of information fed to you)?

Your interest comes across as much more than casual. And that's why it bugs me.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Why are you in other groups' pages/business?

Do you monitor every Greek Wiki page to see what is changed and who does it?

You challenged a Gamma Sigma Sigma member - who you said wasn't readily identifiable, because you aren't a member - who updated something on their Wiki page.

As for Kappa Sigma, shouldn't you leave any issues to their members?

What point are you trying to make regarding hazing deaths in sororities? Are you going to speak at convocation for Sorority Recruitment? Write articles on Wikipedia saying that "fraternities and sororities aren't "so bad"? To which audience will you spread your "expertise" (which is not experience-based, rather, a collection of information fed to you)?

Your interest comes across as much more than casual. And that's why it bugs me.

To be fair on the first part, being a member of an org isn't required to edit the wiki. An editing war is less about who knows more about the topic and more about who knows more about the appropriate tone/format for an article. It's not about personal knowledge although that can help.

The rest, well, it is off putting for reasons i can't quite put my finger on.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by agzg

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather not rehash any cases here. Perhaps one should do his own research instead of using sorority members to do it for him, hmmm?

Please.

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

OP does a lot of digging around in other people's backyards.

And you do a lot of lane swerving, so what's the damn difference? He has just as much free time as you do, yet still manages to contribute to his fraternity (since his initiation as a collegian) and to the Greek community at large.

In other words, you've got a lot of shit to say -- shut up.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Please.

Please yourself. It's one thing to have hazing incidents posted in the Risk Management forum that are recent. It's a completely different thing to post in the forum ASKING for incidences of hazing deaths for a particular council.

If I did that (and asked for NPHC) you'd be the first to be all over me like flies on shit and you know it.

Do your own damned research instead of asking everyone else to do it for you.

FURTHERMORE, I could care less if naraht has enough time to write a book on hazing or what have you. He can do with his time what he wants to do. I just don't believe he actually wants to discuss hazing within the NPC at length, and I'm pretty sure there's some sort of alterior motive.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by agzg

Please yourself. It's one thing to have hazing incidents posted in the Risk Management forum that are recent. It's a completely different thing to post in the forum ASKING for incidences of hazing deaths for a particular council.

If I did that (and asked for NPHC) you'd be the first to be all over me like flies on shit and you know it.

Do your own damned research instead of asking everyone else to do it for you.

FURTHERMORE, I could care less if naraht has enough time to write a book on hazing or what have you. He can do with his time what he wants to do. I just don't believe he actually wants to discuss hazing within the NPC at length, and I'm pretty sure there's some sort of alterior motive.

No, I wouldn't, and I REALLY wish the good people of GC would stop assuming that because they know my first name or my posting style that they can predict what I am going to do next.

He does not have an ulterior motive. He's been here as long as the rest of us and hasn't published a book yet, so just ignore it and keep it moving.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Please.

And you do a lot of lane swerving, so what's the damn difference? He has just as much free time as you do, yet still manages to contribute to his fraternity (since his initiation as a collegian) and to the Greek community at large.

In other words, you've got a lot of shit to say -- shut up.

Wow. You don't know my story, but thanks for playing. If you'd like to check my membership records, ask anyone in either of the organizations I belong to. If you care to know my story, just ask me.

[naraht]

On wikipedia, no one owns specific pages. A Kappa Sigma brother has just as much right to change the page on Delta Sigma Theta as they do the page on London Bridge or Nitrogen. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ownership_of_articles .

And as for challenging the changes on "Gamma Sigma Sigma", the only info that I had was that the person's username was "GSSmarketing", someone completely unrelated to GSS could have taken that username and the changes were unreferenced. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources and without referenced sources, everyone is a potential Wikipedia Perp.




In fact, one of the tenets of Wikipedia is to avoid Conflict of Interest, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COI . In that regard, on controversial topics, members of groups are discouraged from making edits to the pages of their own groups... As a member of a GLO *other* than Kappa Sigma, I'm actually viewed as a relative neutral on the issue.

And monitoring every Greek Letter Organization page neither interests me nor do I have the time for.

If you have issues with the rules on Wikipedia, that's one issue, if you have issues with whether or not my actions on Wikipedia fulfill them, that's another. Just let me know.



In terms of point or audience, If I had gotten a PM saying "According to Hank Nuwer, the only two were UVW sorority in 1952 and XYZ sorority in 1983." I would have considered the question completely answered and not thought anything less of either UVW or XYZ sororities.

Within the last two years, one of the threads that I started was "What do you call your National Officers", or something like that. These two threads both come from personal curiosity and in each case, I would be willing to answer to the best of my abilities the same question about my own fraternity.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

A Kappa Sigma brother has just as much right to change the page on Delta Sigma Theta....

Dumb > right