Difficult Recolonization Question

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

I'm not looking to become a brother.

What are you looking to do?

I'm just saying that you are thinking that your joining this colony and recruiting some guys for it is going to mean something if you never initiate.

The only person who is going to really care is you.

If you meet a member of that org and you tell him "Oh I pledged your colony and did this this and this but I'm not a brother" he's gonna be like "Um, ok."

The credit for the growth and longevity of a colony goes to the MEMBERS.

If you're okay with nobody caring about what you did, go for it.

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

What are you looking to do?

I'm just saying that you are thinking that your joining this colony and recruiting some guys for it is going to mean something if you never initiate.

The only person who is going to really care is you.

If you meet a member of that org and you tell him "Oh I pledged your colony and did this this and this but I'm not a brother" he's gonna be like "Um, ok."

The credit for the growth and longevity of a colony goes to the MEMBERS.

If you're okay with nobody caring about what you did, go for it.

I am not looking for any credit, any respect, I am not looking to gain anything by being a colony member of this certain fraternity. I am aware that I will always be a member of my current fraternity, and that will never change.

What I am looking to do is with my current brothers is to start a new chapter on the values we believe to be true, which can thrive on our campus. If down the road after it were to be founded, it thrived, the simple fact that knowing I had a very minimal part helping to create something that helped others improve themselves to be better men, well that would be more than enough for me.

I am not looking to tell people that I am a member of this fraternity, to use it for networking connections, or anything like that.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

I am not looking for any credit, any respect, I am not looking to gain anything by being a colony member of this certain fraternity. I am aware that I will always be a member of my current fraternity, and that will never change.

What I am looking to do is with my current brothers is to start a new chapter on the values we believe to be true, which can thrive on our campus. If down the road after it were to be founded, it thrived, the simple fact that knowing I had a very minimal part helping to create something that helped others improve themselves to be better men, well that would be more than enough for me.

I am not looking to tell people that I am a member of this fraternity, to use it for networking connections, or anything like that.

Imagine if you took all this energy and wanting to help others become better men, and applied this to your own fraternity. Since you'll always be a member of your fraternity and not initiate into a new one...charity starts at home and all that.

[Psi U MC Vito]

So you want to feel good about yourselves is that is? Instead of trying to see if there is something you can do with your own fraternity. You claimed that you got two pledge classes with more of the same. doesn't seem like the other faction is hurting the fraternity.

[JCunningham]

Regardless of whether I am creating something, I will play a part. It is pointless to have petty arguments about whether other people will look down upon what I do or accept it. That part is not for anyone to decide, if the right people agree, that is all that is needed.

I do not want to "feel good about myself". If you get have a group of bad guys, and you recruit more bad guys, I'm pretty sure that you continue to hurt it by doing so.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

Regardless of whether I am creating something, I will play a part. It is pointless to have petty arguments about whether other people will look down upon what I do or accept it. That part is not for anyone to decide, if the right people agree, that is all that is needed.

I do not want to "feel good about myself". If you get have a group of bad guys, and you recruit more bad guys, I'm pretty sure that you continue to hurt it by doing so.

Question: Who recruited these douche canoes to begin with? Were you not present at rush and able to blackball them? Someone not only gave bids to these people, they also let them initiate. Who would that have been? Because someone had to put out the welcome mat to let the Abercrombie and Hollister catalog impersonators in.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

Regardless of whether I am creating something, I will play a part. It is pointless to have petty arguments about whether other people will look down upon what I do or accept it. That part is not for anyone to decide, if the right people agree, that is all that is needed.

I do not want to "feel good about myself". If you get have a group of bad guys, and you recruit more bad guys, I'm pretty sure that you continue to hurt it by doing so.

You came here and put this idea out there. It's open for comment. If you didn't want comments, you should've kept it to yourself.

I guarantee that if you pitch your idea to someone else, they're going to give you the WTF face, too. This makes zero sense.

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

You came here and put this idea out there. It's open for comment. If you didn't want comments, you should've kept it to yourself.

I guarantee that if you pitch your idea to someone else, they're going to give you the WTF face, too. This makes zero sense.

If you were to read back on my original post, it was about whether or not it was "legally" viable. I am not worried about the social simplifications, nor should anyone else who doesn't know what state, fraternity, or school I am a student of.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

If you were to read back on my original post, it was about whether or not it was "legally" viable. I am not worried about the social simplifications, nor should anyone else who doesn't know what state, fraternity, or school I am a student of.

Oh man. LOL @ you thinking there aren't SEC guys (and girls too) who post here (and lurk) that could figure that out. We have an entire thread dedicated to upcoming colonizations and re-charterings. Wouldn't take a rocket scientist. There are folks out there who would definitely "be worried" about someone pledging their fraternity with no intent to join.

How many Jeff Cunninghams are there in fraternities at SEC schools where a new fraternity is re-chartering after being gone for 5 years? You've given out more than enough info here for someone to figure that out.

[Gusteau]

LOL @ selfish people who think they're selfless

[JCunningham]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

LOL @ selfish people who think they're selfless

I am not being selfless. Do you think when I pledged and was initiated I wanted to do this? No. I did not. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, and you need to act accordingly. I am not selfless, I am fully aware that I am betraying the values that have been laid down by my fraternity and the brothers which have founded it both nationally and on my campus. I am not proud, let alone selfless.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by JCunningham

I am not being selfless. Do you think when I pledged and was initiated I wanted to do this? No. I did not. Sometimes things happen that are out of your control, and you need to act accordingly. I am not selfless, I am fully aware that I am betraying the values that have been laid down by my fraternity and the brothers which have founded it both nationally and on my campus. I am not proud, let alone selfless.

And you expect another fraternity to let you near a colony with a 10 foot pole, especially since you will not initiate?

[Barbie's_Rush]

I realize just how much dumbassity people are capable of when they come to GC, but this one just seems to be a little too easy. Dude gave his full name and practically drew a map to his chapter house. I sort of think that maybe someone who doesn't like things Jeff might be doing in his current chapter may have been the ones who read The Art of War and The Prince.

That said, if the other fraternity was "kicked off" campus a few years ago, you can dream all you want about it being recolonized. It doesn't matter what the alumni want, there was obviously a reason why they were shut down and the school and nationals may have very different visions about if and when the chapter can be recolonized. I know fraternities work differently, but seems to me that it would require a lot more than a few cargo-short-phobes who've abandoned their own fraternity pleading to "help" re-establish a chapter.

[FSUZeta]

i think it all boils down to being affiliated(even if it is in a rubbing elbows kind of way) with a formerly very prestigious fraternity that has the potential to regain its former reputation once it returns to campus and reaping the rewards of that affiliation-powerful, successful alumni, great parties, gorgeous girls attending said parties, etc.

it's not about the long term benefits, because there aren't any(except maybe a job offer with prestigious firm and a trophy wife), it's about the here and now.

[KSUViolet06]

But fsuzeta, he doesn't want to be a brother. He just wants to pledge and drop out pre-initiation.