Diversity in the SEC

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Please do not cite her as the white NPHCer. LOL. Her membership was different.

Those alumnae chapters do not have white members because all whites who attend chapter service events are rejected? All whites who attend membership informationals are rejected? All white applicants are rejected? Please explain.

It is probably that they do not have white (beyond maybe a couple white people) interest in programs and membership. Many BGLOs tend not to recruit and many BGLOs tend to see no overwhelming need to pursue racial and ethnic diversity.

If SEC wants more diversity, they should think about these types of things.

Yes, BGLOs do not have open recruitment. Intake still goes by invitation only, making it much more difficult for first generation or out of state college students or a "friend of a friend" to apply. That does not mean they do not recruit. In my area, BGLO members and alumna start talking to young eligible women about opportunities in college and intake very early. I am not talking about mothers talking to their legacies, but active recruiting of talented high school women. I can appreciate their desire to mentor young women to strive to achieve and pursue graduate and professional programs, but they also actively discourage women from pursuing NPC or MCGLO membership (or D9 membership in groups other than their own).

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Yes, BGLOs do not have open recruitment. Intake still goes by invitation only, making it much more difficult for first generation or out of state college students or a "friend of a friend" to apply. That does not mean they do not recruit. In my area, BGLO members and alumna start talking to young eligible women about opportunities in college and intake very early. I am not talking about mothers talking to their legacies, but active recruiting of talented high school women. I can appreciate their desire to mentor young women to strive to achieve and pursue graduate and professional programs, but they also actively discourage women from pursuing NPC or MCGLO membership (or D9 membership in groups other than their own).

We do not exist in silence and with no outreach. We reach out to people which is also why we are so visible in the communities. When we say we do not recruit, we are saying that for a reason. That reason includes letting people know the difference between an informational and recruitment; and the difference between individuals and chapters talking to people versus what our official entities encourage. Our official entities do not encourage discouraging people from pursuing other GLOs or pushing people to be aspirants and applicants. Talking to people about our GLOs is not the same as pushing people one way or another. The information and decision must ultimately be up to the person. It has always been the case that some people and chapters do not realize that.

More importantly, your post was responding to a post about a white person who claims to really want to be in an NPHC sorority. Bring it back to the purpose behind my post.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

We do not exist in silence and with no outreach. We reach out to people which is also why we are so visible in the communities. When we say we do not recruit, we are saying that for a reason. That reason includes letting people know the difference between an informational and recruitment; and the difference between individuals and chapters talking to people versus what our official entities encourage. Our official entities do not encourage discouraging people from pursuing other GLOs or pushing people to be aspirants and applicants. Talking to people about our GLOs is not the same as pushing people one way or another. The information and decision must ultimately be up to the person.

More importantly, your post was responding to a post about a white person who claims to really want to be in an NPHC sorority. Bring it back to the purpose behind my post.

I can respond to any point I find within your statement regardless of your intended purpose.

My response was directed to your assertion of what NPC groups (or universities) could do to encourage diversity. I have always admired the D9 and their active participation beyond college, and I feel that it is very important to encourage mentoring of high school students especially those who might not have a parent that went to college. What confuses me is taking that mentoring role to dissuade someone from accepting a scholarship to a non-HBCU or to deride someone who is interested in a MCGLO. As an NPC member, I would not things that are negative about other groups to a PNM as it tends to make the whole system look bad.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by HQWest

I can respond to any point I find within your statement regardless of your intended purpose.

Of course. I was making sure you understood the purpose. Cool.

Originally Posted by HQWest

My response was directed to your assertion of what NPC groups (or universities) could do to encourage diversity.

What was my assertion?

I tend to dislike "encouraging diversity" because humans are lazy and like quick and visible fixes.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

What was my assertion?

I tend to dislike "encouraging diversity" because humans are lazy and like quick and visible fixes.

In your post at 1:04 you ended "If SEC wants more diversity, they should think about these types of things."

I was trying to counter that it can be very difficult to recruit passively, either for an organization or a university. Recruiting actively can seem like pandering.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by HQWest

In your post at 1:04 you ended "If SEC wants more diversity, they should think about these types of things."

I was trying to counter that it can be very difficult to recruit passively, either for an organization or a university. Recruiting actively can seem like pandering.

This is why I wanted you to directly connect your post with the purpose behind my post. I don't want predominantly white GLOs doing any recruitment beyond what they already officially do. The purpose behind my first post that you quoted is that BGLOs do things how we do them for a reason. And we typically do not act shocked and baffled that outcomes such as race and ethnicity of the majority of membership is the way it is. A supposed white aspirant should know that.

I am also never giving white GLOs pointers or tips. I'm discussing the larger point of race and ethnicity that can tie into GLOs. You cannot purport ANY kind of diversity (race, religion, sexual orientation, culture, etc) if there is no backdrop to the different groups represented. The different racial and ethnic groups represented have to assimilate into your GLO identity and offer their own insights but they don't have to assimilate into whiteness disguised as colorblindness. And if some white GCers (not you) needed me to tell them this, that is proof of the larger non-GLO problem that some of us have been discussing in this thread.