Former Penn State Coach Arrested

[kddani]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

But people have been reacting as though Paterno should never have made a mistake.. Ever. You don't know how many texts and Facebook messages I've received in the last few days with people saying things like, "I thought Paterno was all about honor and integrity," and, "Too bad your football coach doesn't practice what he preaches.". The fact of the matter is, he made a mistake that he may not even have recognized as a mistake until a few days ago, because that's when he actually learned of the severity of the incident.

For some, Paterno going to his superior instead of the police is the only thing that defines him. THAT is what's ridiculous.. Especially because no one seems to know all the facts (except, of course, Paterno).

My issue with it (and many others' issue with it) isn't the one-time mistake. It is CONTINUALLY, over the course of over a decade, up until last freaking week, allowing this man to be associated with the program, to bring children on campus, to bring them into the football facilities, to allow him all access to the program. That's my biggest beef. To allow this sick f&*k to continue his association with the program and provide him a playground for his crimes.

Many other heads will roll. Probably far more people knew about this, and it will come out eventually. Wonder how long Tom Bradley will be around after further investigation is done? I wonder what he knew? I wonder why all of the other teams over the years that interviewed him for HC never hired him?

[*winter*]

Originally Posted by kddani

My issue with it (and many others' issue with it) isn't the one-time mistake. It is CONTINUALLY, over the course of over a decade, up until last freaking week, allowing this man to be associated with the program, to bring children on campus, to bring them into the football facilities, to allow him all access to the program. That's my biggest beef. To allow this sick f&*k to continue his association with the program and provide him a playground for his crimes?

Exactly! THEY held the keys to the facilities. If they even thought there was abuse, the program should have been suspended and investigated. Taking that route would have produced a media frenzy...not unlike the one we see now...so it was easier to sweep it under the rug.

"You don't know what you'd do in tht situation..." Um...I'd not stop until I found out if there was truth to the allegations, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself until I did everything humanly possible. NO ONE messes with kids on my watch- Ive called CPS on people and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again!

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by *winter*

Exactly! THEY held the keys to the facilities. If they even thought there was abuse, the program should have been suspended and investigated. Taking that route would have produced a media frenzy...not unlike the one we see now...so it was easier to sweep it under the rug.

"You don't know what you'd do in tht situation..." Um...I'd not stop until I found out if there was truth to the allegations, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself until I did everything humanly possible. NO ONE messes with kids on my watch- Ive called CPS on people and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again!

Sandusky had keys to the facility, as he had an office and access per his retirement/emeritus status. Schultz had an obligation to block his access when he found out about the abuse. He didn't, and that's why he has been charged.

JoePa is an icon around those parts, but that wasn't his job. That's why he was not charged.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Sandusky had keys to the facility, as he had an office and access per his retirement/emeritus status. Schultz had an obligation to block his access when he found out about the abuse. He didn't, and that's why he has been charged.

JoePa is an icon around those parts, but that wasn't his job. That's why he was not charged.

Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

So one the one hand, the graduate assistant that we now know to be Mike McQueary - didn't do or say enough because he was afraid that it might be damaging to his career or that they would blackball him, but JoePa doesn't have control over the office space in the athletics facilities? He couldn't have said "Hey I don't want this guy hanging around?" Or "Hey, we need the space to bring some one in to help tutor the guys on their physics homework"?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by HQWest

So one the one hand, the graduate assistant that we now know to be Mike McQueary - didn't do or say enough because he was afraid that it might be damaging to his career or that they would blackball him, but JoePa doesn't have control over the office space in the athletics facilities? He couldn't have said "Hey I don't want this guy hanging around?" Or "Hey, we need the space to bring some one in to help tutor the guys on their physics homework"?

1. The GA dropped the ball, no doubt

2. Who says JoePa DIDN'T say that? And at the end of the day, it was up to Schultz and his office to ensure that Sandusky's access was removed. Paterno is just a coach. Influential, no doubt, but he is not the right hand of God, like many are trying to make him out to be.

[LXA SE285]

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by LXA SE285

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

I think Sandusky is a piece of shit, but this is terrible "journalism" on Madden's part.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Interesting. I believe someone in this thread posted about the potential cover up of a pedophilia ring?

I hope this is a rumor and does not turn out to have any merit.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by LXA SE285

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

I heard this today and I hope that it's not true. Mark Madden did, however, report the whole Sandusky-as-megaperv six months ago. It's super-sensationalistic and could just bring more attention to Madden.

Something I've never thought about, but Madden among others has suggested, was the fact that his retirement in '99 was a cover-up for this. At 55, and with years at Penn State under his belt, he could have written his ticket at any major program. Why didn't he do that? Was he concerned with what dirt a job search might kick up? Did he feel the need to stay close to The Second Mile?

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by LXA SE285

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

I believe it is poor journalism to report on a rumor. I know Mark Madden was ahead of the curve on this but this type reporting is not a good practice.

IMO - Joe Paterno would have been smarter if he had recused himself from coaching through the remainder of the year and then retired at year end. He would have gone out with a least a modicum of dignity. I do think there is a bigger cover up going on at some level at PSU, though. Hope that Paterno is not involved but I believe a lot more will become of this.

BTW - Didn't take them long to get Sandusky out of the "picture".