Former Penn State Coach Arrested - Page 11

MysticCat · #**151** 11-10-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

I agree with Dr. Phil.

This makes my head hurt just a little.

Munchkin03 · #**152** 11-10-2011, 10:29 AM

“At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status,” Paterno said in his statement.

When I first heard that, I kind of laughed. Who does he think he is? Arrogant to the end, it seems.

Not sure if anyone else is familiar, but Tucker Max is all over this on the Tweeter. He's like "If Tucker Max is telling you you're morally questionable, you're a terrible excuse for a human being."

ThetaDancer · #**153** 11-10-2011, 10:49 AM

From the New York Times:

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“I think the point people are trying to make is the media is responsible for JoePa going down,” said a freshman, Mike Clark, 18...

Demonstrators tore down two lamp posts, one falling into a crowd. They also threw rocks and fireworks at the police, who responded with pepper spray. The crowd undulated like an accordion, with the students crowding the police and the officers pushing them back.

“We got rowdy, and we got maced,” Jeff Heim, 19, said rubbing his red, teary eyes. “But make no mistake, the board started this riot by firing our coach. They tarnished a legend.”

I don't understand the riots in support of him, or blaming the media and the board. At all.

agzg · #**154** 11-10-2011, 11:16 AM

That kid is saying the board tarnished a legend!?!? You have got to be kidding me.

amIblue? · #**155** 11-10-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Not sure if anyone else is familiar, but Tucker Max is all over this on the Tweeter. He's like "If Tucker Max is telling you you're morally questionable, you're a terrible excuse for a human being."

Oh, my.

Just read his Twitter feed. Never thought I'd see the day that Tucker Max and I came down on the same side of an issue.

knight_shadow · #**156** 11-10-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by *winter*

Exactly! THEY held the keys to the facilities. If they even thought there was abuse, the program should have been suspended and investigated. Taking that route would have produced a media frenzy...not unlike the one we see now...so it was easier to sweep it under the rug.

"You don't know what you'd do in tht situation..." Um...I'd not stop until I found out if there was truth to the allegations, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself until I did everything humanly possible. NO ONE messes with kids on my watch- Ive called CPS on people and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again!

Sandusky had keys to the facility, as he had an office and access per his retirement/emeritus status. Schultz had an obligation to block his access when he found out about the abuse. He didn't, and that's why he has been charged.

JoePa is an icon around those parts, but that wasn't his job. That's why he was not charged.

HQWest · #**157** 11-10-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Sandusky had keys to the facility, as he had an office and access per his retirement/emeritus status. Schultz had an obligation to block his access when he found out about the abuse. He didn't, and that's why he has been charged.

JoePa is an icon around those parts, but that wasn't his job. That's why he was not charged.

Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

knight_shadow · #**158** 11-10-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest

Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

HQWest · #**159** 11-10-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

So one the one hand, the graduate assistant that we now know to be Mike McQueary - didn't do or say enough because he was afraid that it might be damaging to his career or that they would blackball him, but JoePa doesn't have control over the office space in the athletics facilities? He couldn't have said "Hey I don't want this guy hanging around?" Or "Hey, we need the space to bring some one in to help tutor the guys on their physics homework"?

LXA SE285 · #**160** 11-10-2011, 12:27 PM

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

knight_shadow · #**161** 11-10-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HQWest

So one the one hand, the graduate assistant that we now know to be Mike McQueary - didn't do or say enough because he was afraid that it might be damaging to his career or that they would blackball him, but JoePa doesn't have control over the office space in the athletics facilities? He couldn't have said "Hey I don't want this guy hanging around?" Or "Hey, we need the space to bring some one in to help tutor the guys on their physics homework"?

1. The GA dropped the ball, no doubt

2. Who says JoePa DIDN'T say that? And at the end of the day, it was up to Schultz and his office to ensure that Sandusky's access was removed. Paterno is just a coach. Influential, no doubt, but he is not the right hand of God, like many are trying to make him out to be.

knight_shadow · #**162** 11-10-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LXA SE285

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

I think Sandusky is a piece of shit, but this is terrible "journalism" on Madden's part.

ThetaPrincess24 · #**163** 11-10-2011, 12:35 PM

Interesting. I believe someone in this thread posted about the potential cover up of a pedophilia ring?

I hope this is a rumor and does not turn out to have any merit.

Munchkin03 · #**164** 11-10-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LXA SE285

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

I heard this today and I hope that it's not true. Mark Madden did, however, report the whole Sandusky-as-megaperv six months ago. It's super-sensationalistic and could just bring more attention to Madden.

Something I've never thought about, but Madden among others has suggested, was the fact that his retirement in '99 was a cover-up for this. At 55, and with years at Penn State under his belt, he could have written his ticket at any major program. Why didn't he do that? Was he concerned with what dirt a job search might kick up? Did he feel the need to stay close to The Second Mile?

thetalady · #**165** 11-10-2011, 12:55 PM

I have been reading all of this with complete shock at how adults could let this happen.

The one question that I haven't seen discussed is why the parents of these children didn't go to the police themselves and demand investigations and arrests and head straight to the media if it didn't happen? There is no way that they didn't know. I know that Sandusky preyed on vulnerable kids that often didn't have strong family support, but still.... WHERE are the parents in all of this?