Former Penn State Coach Arrested

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

What is this Kool Aid that you and psusue are talking about? Did you two also drink Kool Aid to make you have the opinions that you have?

You are reading it incorrectly. No one with a grain of brain believes that any human cannot make mistakes. No one with a grain of brain believes that any human is perfect. Again, you are admitting that it was a mistake. JoePa admits it was a mistake. We all agree so what is the point of contention?

But people have been reacting as though Paterno should never have made a mistake.. Ever. You don't know how many texts and Facebook messages I've received in the last few days with people saying things like, "I thought Paterno was all about honor and integrity," and, "Too bad your football coach doesn't practice what he preaches.". The fact of the matter is, he made a mistake that he may not even have recognized as a mistake until a few days ago, because that's when he actually learned of the severity of the incident.

For some, Paterno going to his superior instead of the police is the only thing that defines him. THAT is what's ridiculous.. Especially because no one seems to know all the facts (except, of course, Paterno).

[33girl]

^^^That is exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

^^^That is exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks.

No problem

[kddani]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

But people have been reacting as though Paterno should never have made a mistake.. Ever. You don't know how many texts and Facebook messages I've received in the last few days with people saying things like, "I thought Paterno was all about honor and integrity," and, "Too bad your football coach doesn't practice what he preaches.". The fact of the matter is, he made a mistake that he may not even have recognized as a mistake until a few days ago, because that's when he actually learned of the severity of the incident.

For some, Paterno going to his superior instead of the police is the only thing that defines him. THAT is what's ridiculous.. Especially because no one seems to know all the facts (except, of course, Paterno).

My issue with it (and many others' issue with it) isn't the one-time mistake. It is CONTINUALLY, over the course of over a decade, up until last freaking week, allowing this man to be associated with the program, to bring children on campus, to bring them into the football facilities, to allow him all access to the program. That's my biggest beef. To allow this sick f&*k to continue his association with the program and provide him a playground for his crimes.

Many other heads will roll. Probably far more people knew about this, and it will come out eventually. Wonder how long Tom Bradley will be around after further investigation is done? I wonder what he knew? I wonder why all of the other teams over the years that interviewed him for HC never hired him?

[*winter*]

Originally Posted by kddani

My issue with it (and many others' issue with it) isn't the one-time mistake. It is CONTINUALLY, over the course of over a decade, up until last freaking week, allowing this man to be associated with the program, to bring children on campus, to bring them into the football facilities, to allow him all access to the program. That's my biggest beef. To allow this sick f&*k to continue his association with the program and provide him a playground for his crimes?

Exactly! THEY held the keys to the facilities. If they even thought there was abuse, the program should have been suspended and investigated. Taking that route would have produced a media frenzy...not unlike the one we see now...so it was easier to sweep it under the rug.

"You don't know what you'd do in tht situation..." Um...I'd not stop until I found out if there was truth to the allegations, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself until I did everything humanly possible. NO ONE messes with kids on my watch- Ive called CPS on people and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again!

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by *winter*

Exactly! THEY held the keys to the facilities. If they even thought there was abuse, the program should have been suspended and investigated. Taking that route would have produced a media frenzy...not unlike the one we see now...so it was easier to sweep it under the rug.

"You don't know what you'd do in tht situation..." Um...I'd not stop until I found out if there was truth to the allegations, and I wouldn't be able to live with myself until I did everything humanly possible. NO ONE messes with kids on my watch- Ive called CPS on people and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again!

Sandusky had keys to the facility, as he had an office and access per his retirement/emeritus status. Schultz had an obligation to block his access when he found out about the abuse. He didn't, and that's why he has been charged.

JoePa is an icon around those parts, but that wasn't his job. That's why he was not charged.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Sandusky had keys to the facility, as he had an office and access per his retirement/emeritus status. Schultz had an obligation to block his access when he found out about the abuse. He didn't, and that's why he has been charged.

JoePa is an icon around those parts, but that wasn't his job. That's why he was not charged.

Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

So one the one hand, the graduate assistant that we now know to be Mike McQueary - didn't do or say enough because he was afraid that it might be damaging to his career or that they would blackball him, but JoePa doesn't have control over the office space in the athletics facilities? He couldn't have said "Hey I don't want this guy hanging around?" Or "Hey, we need the space to bring some one in to help tutor the guys on their physics homework"?

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