NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I do think it would be helpful in a "can't we all just get along" kind of way if the NPHC chapters and NPC chapters would work more closely together at the campus level. When I was in school the NPHC chapters were quite strong, I think, but never knew a single woman who was a member of one. And yes, I've had black friends my whole life, so it wasn't that. It would be nice to have ALL the sororities on campus participating in flag football or attending each others philanthropies or whatever. Co-counsel mixers or exchanges?

I know this his been brought up on GC several times before. Flag Football and Date Parties are not necessarily on non-IFC/NPC members' radars. The entertainment/social events are typically the ones that non-IFC/NPC members get invited to, though.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I *think* the implications are that being Black and (separate and a part from) being gay are the "same" from a white heterosexual point of view since white heterosexuals consider both Blacks and gays to be minorities. An implication / analogy / similarity that I most definitely do not agree with.

This is why white gays feel they can piggy-back off the Civil Rights Movement to use it as a foundation to support gay rights. Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

Justifying it with your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Justifying it with your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

And attacking my religion does not make you any better.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

And attacking my religion does not make you any better.

Nope, sorry, that's not how intolerance works. You hold bigoted beliefs about gays. I, on the other hand, have said nothing negative about your religion (in fact, I don't even know which religion it is), except that you shouldn't use it to justify your bigoted beliefs.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Nope, sorry, that's not how intolerance works. You hold bigoted beliefs about gays. I, on the other hand, have said nothing negative about your religion (in fact, I don't even know which religion it is), except that you shouldn't use it to justify your bigoted beliefs.

If you consider the fact that I try to live my life as close to the Bible as I possibly can, then I guess in your book I am a bigot.

I can live with that. I've been called worse.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

Just clarifying for you.

And I won't address the rest of the post in order to keep this thread SOMEWHAT on topic.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Just clarifying for you.

And I won't address the rest of the post in order to keep this thread SOMEWHAT on topic.

Good call!

[Munchkin03]

So we DO eventually fall into bigotry in this thread--but not a race war. Imagine that!

NPC/NPHC collaborations are rare, and I think a lot of it has to do with the self-segregating/highly secretive nature of some NPHC groups on some college campuses. Also, I've personally experienced a level of condescension from NPHC members who believe that "all [we] do is drink," or that our commitment isn't lifetime. That's not exactly uncommon.

But, that's totally fine with me.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

So we DO eventually fall into bigotry in this thread--but not a race war. Imagine that!

It's just another fun day on GC!!!

NPC/NPHC collaborations are rare, and I think a lot of it has to do with the self-segregating/highly secretive nature of some NPHC groups on some college campuses. Also, I've personally experienced a level of condescension from NPHC members who believe that "all [we] do is drink," or that our commitment isn't lifetime. That's not exactly uncommon.

But, that's totally fine with me.

And the reverse is true when it comes to perceived stereotypes about the NPHC - that we are all about line names, line numbers, our calls and stepping.

And, from what I've learned on GC, I don't see where the NPHC is any more selective than the NPC.

We both factor GPA as an important criteria, we both look for potential members who will represent our orgs well, we both have to deal with heli-moms and dads. A lot of the issue that the NPC has to deal with in membership selection are the same for the NPHC.

I think one difference is in the time frame that membership selection is done. For the NPC, it is all done over a 3 - 5 or 7 day period. For the NPHC, we typically offer interest meetings and seminars where people can participate over a semester before membership selection, or MIP, is started.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

It's just another fun day on GC!!!



And the reverse is true when it comes to perceived stereotypes about the NPHC - that we are all about line names, line numbers, our calls and stepping.

And, from what I've learned on GC, I don't see where the NPHC is any more selective than the NPC.

We both factor GPA as an important criteria, we both look for potential members who will represent our orgs well, we both have to deal with heli-moms and dads. A lot of the issue that the NPC has to deal with in membership selection are the same for the NPHC.

I think one difference is in the time frame that membership selection is done. For the NPC, it is all done over a 3 - 5 or 7 day period. For the NPHC, we typically offer interest meetings and seminars where people can participate over a semester before membership selection, or MIP, is started.

Were you trying to teach me about the differences between NPC and NPHC groups?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

NPC/NPHC collaborations are rare, and I think a lot of it has to do with the self-segregating/highly secretive nature of some NPHC groups on some college campuses. Also, I've personally experienced a level of condescension from NPHC members who believe that "all [we] do is drink," or that our commitment isn't lifetime. That's not exactly uncommon.

But, that's totally fine with me.

It just takes being open to learning about things that aren't always in your face. If all people go based on are the things that stupid college kids (across councils and conferences) tend to do and say, sure people will have certain perceptions. Those perceptions aren't completely wrong, because they do apply to some and even many, they just aren't 100% accurate and generalizable.

I learned a lot about non-NPHC lifetime commitments through GreekChat but also through things like meeting older NPCers and NICers at alumnae/alumni/graduate chapter events; seeing NPCers and NICers wearing letters and symbols 40+years after graduation; knowing that NPCers and NICers use membership for networking opportunities; etc.

If not for those things, I would only have the typical "this is just for college" cliche` to go based on.

[IrishLake]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

I was going to say something funny about Sen based on this above...

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

Annnnnnnd now, it's not so funny.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

Well golly, thanks for saving our souls! THANK GOD we have people out there who are going to do their best to keep the rest of us from sinning, by force if they have to!

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by agzg

Well golly, thanks for saving our souls! THANK GOD we have people out there who are going to do their best to keep the rest of us from sinning, by force if they have to!

You're welcome!

And besides, I am only one person with one vote, but I will do my best.