Quota Additions at Super Competitive Schools

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

Because with RFM you have to invite a certain number whether you love them or not no choice. Most of the women they do want, but there are always 1 or 2 that do the slide on in.

No you don't. You're recommended not to cut past a certain number, or at all, but you can always cut more than that.

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No you don't. You're recommended not to cut past a certain number, or at all, but you can always cut more than that.

Agreed. You don't HAVE to comply exactly with the Panhellenic-supplied carry figure. If I had to choose between inviting a woman to pref who we wouldn't be thrilled to offer a bid and following the carry figures to a T, I'd choose dropping an extra woman.

[ta kala]

Originally Posted by ADqtPiMel

Agreed. You don't HAVE to comply exactly with the Panhellenic-supplied carry figure. If I had to choose between inviting a woman to pref who we wouldn't be thrilled to offer a bid and following the carry figures to a T, I'd choose dropping an extra woman.

Depending on the expectations from their (inter)national organization, chapters are "required" to follow the numbers to a T - and for chapters recommended to invite "all in pool" or close to that number, they often invite back women who they don't want, but are not in a position to be picky if the expectation is to "play the game" to make quota/total. They then get women they don't want (who may or may not want them) and they get stuck in a cycle of admitting women who don't meet their membership criteria and women who won't help a struggling chapter change.

And I realize each organization is different and has different policies, philosophies, etc. This is my own personal opinion about our formal recruitment process. For every member who might hold a chapter back, there is an equally awesome woman who will be the next great leader. It's such a tricky balancing act.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ta kala

Depending on the expectations from their (inter)national organization, chapters are "required" to follow the numbers to a T - and for chapters recommended to invite "all in pool" or close to that number, they often invite back women who they don't want, but are not in a position to be picky if the expectation is to "play the game" to make quota/total. They then get women they don't want (who may or may not want them) and they get stuck in a cycle of admitting women who don't meet their membership criteria and women who won't help a struggling chapter change.

And I realize each organization is different and has different policies, philosophies, etc. This is my own personal opinion about our formal recruitment process. For every member who might hold a chapter back, there is an equally awesome woman who will be the next great leader. It's such a tricky balancing act.

I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, and I bet we all have a line or two in our recruitment policies that says essentially the same thing. I find it ridiculous, though, because usually, the chapters that cut HARD and perhaps cut for more shallow reasons are the ones who have no problem retaining PNMs from round to round. The struggling chapters are usually the ones who are more open - in other words, you REALLY have to be a piece of work to get cut from there - and telling that chapter that they have to invite back a girl who got them to that point and possibly even bid her, does NOT help the chapter to get stronger. It just kills it more quickly.

We say over and over to NMs that sisterhood doesn't happen overnight, that the best years are often as an alum, etc etc - in effect, that it TAKES TIME and that you can't force it. Why does that go out the window when it comes to chapters in general - especially if a costly house isn't involved?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, and I bet we all have a line or two in our recruitment policies that says essentially the same thing.

I don't know that it's so common as you think, although none of us can probably actually answer that question for each other.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No you don't. You're recommended not to cut past a certain number, or at all, but you can always cut more than that.

At our school there is no deviation. If Panhel tells you to invite back 250 you invite back 250 not one over and not one under. Prior to RFM there used to be a little play in the numbers, but not any more. They will not even take your list, in fact, the computer will not accept it if the correct amount of invites are not on it.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

No, my job is not to create a bidlist that contains only PNM's that they want. It is not my Chapter nor am I an active member in it. I have no voting rights nor would I want to. I'm there to Advise them.

Right, and you advise them that anyone on the bid list could get a bid. You also advise them not to bitch about new members, that QAs are not responsible for their rush crush not being there on bid day, etc. That's what I assume advisers do everywhere. When 18-22 year old women start acting like catty teenagers, the adviser pokes in to say that they're being ridiculous. I'm not saying you write the bid list yourself, that's also ridiculous.

Additionally it was YOUR response about not being a blessing and "way down under" that was my biggest red flag.

Nor is it my job to straighten out the actives or their votes. There is a system in place that is used across the country. My job is to make sure they follow the rules of the voting system. My job is NOT to manipulate who they will invite back.

Stating that everyone who is invited to pref is on the bidlist and that they should consider that carefully when voting is somehow manipulative? So is stating that every new member is AWESOME and none are NOT A BLESSING or came from WAY DOWN ON THE BIDLIST, totally manipulative too?

When I say there may be girls on the bid list that become members that are from way down on the bidlist it doesn't mean they are "disliked" it simply means that if there were no quota additions they would not have made the cut. I probably shouldn't have used the term "not a blessing" in conjunction with QA's because frankly that term could be used on several of the girls not necessarily a QA. In fact, I couldn't even tell you at this point who was a QA from fall unless I looked at the list.

While that's nice now, that's not the impression you gave at all.

You are right, if they are invited to Pref some one some where liked them enough for them to be invited. Again the active members have no idea who is a QA because they do not see the bid list only the Advisors do.

Which is a huge change in your original story.

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

At our school there is no deviation. If Panhel tells you to invite back 250 you invite back 250 not one over and not one under. Prior to RFM there used to be a little play in the numbers, but not any more. They will not even take your list, in fact, the computer will not accept it if the correct amount of invites are not on it.

I'm fairly certain that that's not acceptable because schools cannot force chapters to bid people they do not wish to bid. I'd talk to an NPC rep or an HQ rep about that.