Probates!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Add to my post "for organizations that pledge" which usually means Latino/multicultural orgs these days.

Depends on how you mean "pledge." We pledge, as do lots of fraternities, but not in the sense that NPHC and MCG orgs typically mean.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I would flip. During my time both on the National Board and as a chapter advisor, I've seen Greek Life offices/campus councils do some crazy things. I can usually work something out either where I get my way or where we come to a good compromise.

When I was my chapter's advisor, I flat out told the Greek Life office that we weren't going to participate. We were exempt that year.

Since I've left, though, my organization has just sucked it up and participated.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Depends on how you mean "pledge." We pledge, as do lots of fraternities, but not in the sense that NPHC and MCG orgs typically mean.

Context should clear that up, though

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Context should clear that up, though

For people who know the difference, sure.

The thing is, there are often lots of people reading who don't know the difference and so don't know how to apply context. Confusion may ensue.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

For people who know the difference, sure.

The thing is, there are often lots of people reading who don't know the difference and so don't know how to apply context. Confusion may ensue.

If, after 6 pages of discussion between NPHC and LGLO/MGC members about probates, said people aren't getting it, I doubt that adding a disclaimer would make a difference.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Depends on how you mean "pledge." We pledge, as do lots of fraternities, but not in the sense that NPHC and MCG orgs typically mean.

Yet some Sinfonians probate.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If, after 6 pages of discussion between NPHC and LGLO/MGC members about probates, said people aren't getting it, I doubt that adding a disclaimer would make a difference.

Just trying to keep it clear is all.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Yet some Sinfonians probate.

I wouldn't be surprised at all. I know that, like was referenced earlier, some of our chapters at HBCU have adopted traditions usually associated with the NPHC.

Still I'd wager that to most Sinfonians, "probate" means a "probationary member" (our term for what used to be called a "pledge"), as in "How many probates did you pledge this spring?".

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Yet some Sinfonians probate.

HBCUs strike again...or no?

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Just trying to keep it clear is all.

You trynna help Ike? YOU...trynna help Ike? Ike don't need no help!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You trynna help Ike? YOU...trynna help Ike? Ike don't need no help!

Thanks, Tina.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

For the record, there are schools that not only allow, but regulate above-ground pledging, including surfacing. Granted, these schools are mostly in the northeast as far as I know.

I attended a public surfacing this past spring for which the Greek Life director had sent out a mass email invitation to the campus Greeks letting them know they were welcome to attend. Based on attestations by the organization itself as well as the pledge-like behavior of the individuals for some time after the show, it was understood that they had not yet been initiated.

Then, there's another organization on the same campus that surfaces their pledges, but not openly. They invite select people to attend.

WE GOTTA PROOOOBLEMMM!! LOL i should watch the vids again.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That irks me to no end.

My alma mater has started requiring the MGC organizations to have a "mass probate/coming out/showcase" at the end of each semester. Even if the students haven't been initiated, all organizations are required to participate.

Many of the older organizations (that have done coming out shows in the past and don't completely bite other organizations' styles) have been upset about it and will typically bring current members on to talk about their respective organizations. The newer organizations (who obviously searched for "Probating 101" on Youtube) will emulate the NPHC organizations' styles, including chants, steps, etc. Their new (or soon to be new) members usually have no idea what's going on, but will try to carry those things over into their active semesters.

I know that if it annoys me, it must be frustrating to the members of the NPHC community here.

its annoying when schools try to regulate things such as the bolded.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

its annoying when schools try to regulate things such as the bolded.

With things like that, I think it's better for councils to be "collaborators" as opposed to "regulators"

The only time I think an iron fist should be thrown down is when RM or discipline is involved. If we're meeting the standards of I/HQ and the University, don't tell us how to a social event. Just make sure it doesn't conflict with another organization's event.

If I shoot a pledge in the face, feel free to intervene.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

WE GOTTA PROOOOBLEMMM!!

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If I shoot a pledge in the face, feel free to intervene.

Hayle no.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

What I think of everytime I see this thread pop up under New Posts:

This pic reminds me of the time my younger cousin mixed up "prostate" and "pancreas." That was an extremely entertaining conversation. :cook:

Originally Posted by DrPhil

HBCUs strike again...or no?

In this vein, they strike all the time. I had a "pledge period" when getting into my honor society (which had Greek letters). Greek letters were assigned to certain dorms and we had to be "initiated." Black folx always tryna 'nitiate somebody. Honestly, some things are not meant to be "made special." Sometimes an honor society is just a bunch of smart people and should stay as such. Leave the nerds in peace.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You trynna help Ike? YOU...trynna help Ike? Ike don't need no help!

My abs are burning from yesterday's workout and you are NOT helping.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

For the record, there are schools that not only allow, but regulate above-ground pledging, including surfacing. Granted, these schools are mostly in the northeast as far as I know.

I attended a public surfacing this past spring for which the Greek Life director had sent out a mass email invitation to the campus Greeks letting them know they were welcome to attend. Based on attestations by the organization itself as well as the pledge-like behavior of the individuals for some time after the show, it was understood that they had not yet been initiated.

Then, there's another organization on the same campus that surfaces their pledges, but not openly. They invite select people to attend.

Are you sure the Greek Life director understood what was meant by "surfacing"? He probably didn't even attend the show and wouldn't know the difference. I know of schools (also in the Northeast where I am) where NPHC coming out or neo shows are promoted and regulated by the greek life office as to when they will take place (the date and time must be scheduled and everything). It's very public but greek life understands and requires that those who will participate have been inducted and the new members' names/info are submitted to the greek life office prior to the show. No matter what term is used, the greek life office expects that what will take place is a coming out or neo show.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

LOL @ that face

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

In this vein, they strike all the time. I had a "pledge period" when getting into my honor society (which had Greek letters). Greek letters were assigned to certain dorms and we had to be "initiated." Black folx always tryna 'nitiate somebody. Honestly, some things are not meant to be "made special." Sometimes an honor society is just a bunch of smart people and should stay as such. Leave the nerds in peace.

LOL@pledging Phi Beta Kappa.

"Your GPA isn't good enough..get in the cut!!!"

LOL

I wish somebody would.

My people perish because of lack of knowledge.