Depression (the disease, not the economy)

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, they aren't normal. That's the whole point of seeking treatment. This is one reason why (in my off-internet interactions) I tell people that we have to understand the various outcomes of normalizing what are considered forms of "deviance." There are a number of reasons why people don't seek help. One of them is that when you discuss something to the point where it is normalized, there is always the possibility that many will say "a large percentage of adults have depression/a mental disorder/suicidal ideation...I'm pretty normal so I'm content with that and won't waste time seeking help."

So when discussing such matters and building a sense of comradere, you don't want to normalize it to the point where the "seek help outside of this message board" option loses its appeal.

That's one of the differences between discussing forms of birth control that you use on here (which I wouldn't do but others choose to) and talking about mental and emotional health.

I wish this was a matter of who, what, where, when and why to discuss mental health conditions, but the reasons for choosing not to pursue mental health care are due to fearful myths and perceptions, cultural incompetencies, ignorances and funds. That is published in the mental health outreach research literature and policy...

The professional people and programs are there, and online, too... But, people still do not seek their assistance... It seems what works is when people seek that rapport in communities they have affinities and trusts...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I wish this was a matter of who, what, where, when and why to discuss mental health conditions

It is for the purpose of this discussion.

I know the fundamentals of mental and emotional health. What I said pertains to the normalization of disorders. Thanks.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is for the purpose of this discussion.

I know the fundamentals of mental and emotional health. What I said pertains to the normalization of disorders. Thanks.

But people are not statistically normalizing their mental health conditions... There is not enough power to do that...

What they are doing is RATIONALIZING the reasons for their behavior as manifested on the internet...

What they will find is that in an unsupported environment that will make them feel worse. And changing that environment is futile...

So, they can take their toys elsewhere, since they cannot play in this cat poop sandbox...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Lawd, Monet, we clearly aren't talking about the same thing right now. Okay?



This is your soapbox. Not mine.

Remember, you chose to engage in a conversation with me, when I repeatedly asked you not to do so...

As such, you got yourself into this logic hole, and I do think we are discussing the topic about how people with mental health conditions ought not post their mental health issues on GC and how it is "SHOULD" be a "normal topic of discussion on GC"...

Why be "normal"?

Anyhow, I don't have to comment to demean your "soapbox", you do that well enough alone...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Remember, you chose to engage in a conversation with me, when I repeatedly asked you not to do so...

Well, idiot, that post you responded to was not to you.

So you can create your own logic hole but we still won't be talking about the same thing. Run along.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Well, idiot, that post you responded to was not to you.

So you can create your own logic hole but we still won't be talking about the same thing. Run along.

Le sign... Why I care, one will never know? I do not need a catpoop filled sandbox to be a Ruler, unlike others do... Calling you names is so puerile... Who could ask any more of you? LOL..

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hey, just a reminder of where we stand. Now that we've established that:

I was never talking about statistical normalization and the divulging of on GC. I was talking about the flipside of "deviance," which is the perception of normalcy based on factors such as the real or perceived prevalance of disorders in the population and (sub)cultural norms of disorders. Afterall, there are people who don't take care of their physical health because they think it's "normal" to be overweight and to have "sugar."

First, your disdain for my experience is obvious... The "Deviance" you are talking about is "violation" of cultural normalcy and criminality... People who suffer from mental health conditions are not violating cultural norms or are not all criminals. They are sick just like someone who has cancer or heart disease. The PERCEPTIONS that people have on the mentally ill are inaccurate. The PERCEPTIONS of normalcy that mental illness sufferers to have are not about "deviance"... And I have told you this before...

Second, yes, I understood your posted concept. You choose to ignore what I say because you hate what I say... You choose to be antagonistic that is disrespectful. And while you may disagree with my thoughts and opinions, which is your prerogative, choosing to call me names only shows more of your faulty logic.

Third, I know a smidgen about physical health, obesity and diabetes in your analogy... And I know something about mental health, too... So, my opinions are professional. I am too old and tired of battling people's arrogance here on GC. I just cannot do it anymore. I am who I say I am. I don't change my username. I don't hide behind other members being my proponents. I am a bad liar, so I don't do it...

Sorry I am "deviating" for what you consider the normal course of health actions, but it is just not "cool" or "hip" or whatever colloquialism that is used today, to say these things to me when you have not tried to even get to know me personally...

So, please, just do not engage in conversation with me. You are not a person who I would choose to share discourse. Nothing you say is positive to me and it hurts more than it heals. Nothing and no one, is going to change my mind about it, especially after the training I had after last weekend.

We all will be much better off... Thanks...