Second Presidential Debate - Page 8

DaemonSeid · #**106** 10-09-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Let me see if I have this straight. You said McCain has said he does not want to tax the wealthy.

When challenged on that, you countered with his statements in Tuesday night's debate: "Let's not raise anybody's taxes" and "I am not in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy."

When it was pointed out to you that those comments are not statements that "he does not want to tax the wealthy," you responded by essentially saying that because Bush and others went back on their campaign promises, McCain's statements must be interpreted to mean "he does not want to tax the wealthy"?

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic.

(It's always a good day when you can quote Buffy Summers.)

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MysticCat · #**107** 10-09-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

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I did. Do I understand you correctly now? Are you're admitting that McCain hasn't said he doesn't want to tax the wealthy? And are you understanding that any confusion was because were took you to mean what you said?

DaemonSeid · #**108** 10-09-2008, 03:30 PM

You know...it's great that we can have these discussions and disagree on this as we clearly think that it's important...but someone please give John a clue right now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/.../obama_ayers_2

I still say, when he had him face to face tuesday, why didn't he slide it in?

(Rhetorical)

Last desperate chance by McCain and I think this is the big mistake that will cost him...but...let's carry on shall we?

DaemonSeid · #**109** 10-09-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

I did. Do I understand you correctly now? Are you're admitting that McCain hasn't said he doesn't want to tax the wealthy? And are you understanding that any confusion was because were took you to mean what you said?

we are close...

McCain will not raise taxes on the wealthy <---clear?

if taxes are raised in his admin it will be on the poor and middle income people <---clear?

epchick · #**110** 10-09-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

...but someone please give John a clue right now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/.../obama_ayers_2

That article was about Sarah Palin, why would someone need to "give John a clue?"

DaemonSeid · #**111** 10-09-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by epchick

That article was about Sarah Palin, why would someone need to "give John a clue?"

ummm...who does Palin work for??

you may want to see this too

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200....MH8MFTelsnwcF

ETA

If anything, today has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt McCain doesn't believe in what he says

In 2000

He said "...when you run negative attack ads, you have no vision or cant articulate your own vision."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsX2Gx9jl_o -

u cant make that up.

ajuhdg · #**112** 10-09-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WarEagle07

I am wondering the exact same thing!! My husband and I are part of the demographic considered wealthy by Obama's standards but I can tell you that we are a far cry from wealthy. On this point I believe that Obama is very much out of touch

Here I am going around feeling like I'm the only one who thinks this guy is a phony. I sent an email to my dad (also a McCain supporter in TX) and asked if there was just something that I was missing, I must've missed the magical Obama Juice when it was being passed around.

Just got back from the dentist, who have me some hope. We, of course, tiptoed around each other as to who our vote was for. When I just came out and told him, he exasperatedly said, "THANK GOD!" Then he preceded to drill on my tooth telling me why. LOL! He said that he thinks that people might say a lot now, but when it comes to really making the choice, they'll go the McCain way. This kind of goes with my lines of hopeful thinking. He says that the only reason people are picking BO is he's the 'popular' guy. Makes sense, 'cause Oprah told me so'. And, yes, hun, he IS out of touch with his 1.6 million dollar income.

On a side note, why is just anybody and their dog allowed to vote? What is up with this 'register the day before, and go vote' crap? I'll check to see if there is another thread.

MysticCat · #**113** 10-09-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

we are close...

McCain will not raise taxes on the wealthy <---clear?

if taxes are raised in his admin it will be on the poor and middle income people <---clear?

Quite clear in both cases. Just so we continue to be clear, neither of those two things are what you said before.

DaemonSeid · #**114** 10-09-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Quite clear in both cases. Just so we continue to be clear, neither of those two things are what you said before.

I did...you misunderstood me...and we will KIM.

KSigkid · #**115** 10-09-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

ummm...who does Palin work for??

you may want to see this too

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200....MH8MFTelsnwcF

ETA

If anything, today has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt McCain doesn't believe in what he says

In 2000

He said "...when you run negative attack ads, you have no vision or cant articulate your own vision."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsX2Gx9jl_o -

u cant make that up.

So, if Obama said something 8 years ago, and then is doing somethign else today, does that mean that he doesn't believe what he says? Or is that different?

CrackerBarrel · #**116** 10-09-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I did...you misunderstood me...and we will KIM.

No, you didn't. You may have MEANT it, but the words you said have a clear meaning, and it's one quite distinct from what you're insisting now that you were talking about.

MysticCat · #**117** 10-09-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ajuhdg

Just got back from the dentist, who have me some hope. We, of course, tiptoed around each other as to who our vote was for. When I just came out and told him, he exasperatedly said, "THANK GOD!" Then he preceded to drill on my tooth telling me why. LOL! He said that he thinks that people might say a lot now, but when it comes to really making the choice, they'll go the McCain way. This kind of goes with my lines of hopeful thinking. He says that the only reason people are picking BO is he's the 'popular' guy. Makes sense, 'cause Oprah told me so'. And, yes, hun, he IS out of touch with his 1.6 million dollar income.

That may be the case with some people. But your dentist is either really ignorant or has been sniffing something in his office if he really thinks that the only reason people are picking Obama is because he's "the popular guy" or because "Oprah told them to."

Some people are going with Obama because they sincerely believe, after {gasp} thinking about it, that he is the better choice. Some people, believe it or not, don't trust McCain any more than you trust Obama. Some people think that picking Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from the presidency demonstrated that McCain's judgment is sorely lacking. Some people disagree with McCain's approach to foreign policy in general and the Iraq War in particular. People support Obama and McCain for all kinds of reasons -- in both cases, some good, some bad.

And I've got to tell you -- I've had more than one conversation with Republicans who voted for Bush both times and who are not only supporting Obama but very turned off by McCain. And to a person, the economy is the reason.

KSigkid · #**118** 10-09-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

That may be the case with some people. But your dentist is either really ignorant or has been sniffing something in his office if he really thinks that the only reason people are picking Obama is because he's "the popular guy" or because "Oprah told them to."

Some people are going with Obama because they sincerely believe, after {gasp} thinking about it, that he is the better choice. Some people, believe it or not, don't trust McCain any more than you trust Obama. Some people think that picking Sarah Palin to be a heartbeat away from the presidency demonstrated that McCain's judgment is sorely lacking. Some people disagree with McCain's approach to foreign policy in general and the Iraq War in particular. People support Obama and McCain for all kinds of reasons -- in both cases, some good, some bad.

And I've got to tell you -- I've had more than one conversation with Republicans who voted for Bush both times and who are not only supporting Obama but very turned off by McCain. And to a person, the economy is the reason.

It definitely works both ways - one of the things that has really turned me off to this election cycle is people, on both sides of the aisle, acting like there is only one reasonable pick for President. Again, as I've said before, I can understand being completely supportive of a candidate, falling for a candidate, so to speak, to the point where you don't see as many of their flaws.

But, I can't understand the mindset that there's only one reasonable pick, or that you have to be crazy, starstruck, or otherwise flawed to pick one candidate over another. I may not agree with people who support Obama, and I may have my own feelings about whether or not he is the best person to run the country, but I certainly understand why someone would want to vote for him. I would hope that others would give me the same respect about my decision to vote McCain, or that others would respect those who have chosen to vote Obama, but that "mutual partisan respect," so to speak, has been missing this election cycle.

MysticCat · #**119** 10-09-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

I may not agree with people who support Obama, and I may have my own feelings about whether or not he is the best person to run the country, but I certainly understand why someone would want to vote for him. I would hope that others would give me the same respect about my decision to vote McCain, or that others would respect those who have chosen to vote Obama, but that "mutual partisan respect," so to speak, has been missing this election cycle.

Very well said. As you and I have discussed before, I agree completely.

epchick · #**120** 10-09-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

I may not agree with people who support Obama, and I may have my own feelings about whether or not he is the best person to run the country, but I certainly understand why someone would want to vote for him. I would hope that others would give me the same respect about my decision to vote McCain, or that others would respect those who have chosen to vote Obama, but that "mutual partisan respect," so to speak, has been missing this election cycle.

You know, i've seen this too. Except i've seen that type of respect from McCain supporters. I still don't know who i'm voting for, but God help me if I mention (to my friends who support Obama) that i *might* vote for McCain. My vote is just as valid as theirs, and It should be respected.

I've even gotten the "well you must be racist" comment from people that I don't even know. Ummm...since when is NOT voting for Barack Obama mean that i'm racist against blacks?