Why? Sophomore UGA story

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

UGA is a public ivy like Texas.

Don't make me choke. I would agree that UGA and Texas are among the best public schools in the country. Is that what you meant by "public Ivy"? While UGA and Texas are on par with (or slightly below) other competitive presitigious public schools like Penn State, Maryland, UVA, William & Mary, UNC, etc, they pale in comparison to actual Ivy League schools. Keep in mind, I am not knocking the quality of these schools, because I went to one, just that I think the term "public Ivy" is laughable.

Some numbers to compare from collegeboard.com:

% admitted; GPA at or above 3.75; % first-year students in 10% of HS class; Middle 50% SAT Verbal; Middle 50% SAT Math

UGA: 55%, 63%, 51%, 560-660, 570-660
Texas: 51%, none given, 69%, 540-670, 570-700
Penn State: 51%, 31%, 45%, 530-630, 560-670
Maryland: 47%, 65%, 56%, 570-680, 600-700
UVA: 35%, 85%, 87%, 590-700, 610-720
W&M: 34%, 77%, 79%, 630-740, 620-710
UNC: 35%, 93%, 76%, 600-700, 610-700
Cal: 23%, 93%, 98%, 590-710, 630-760

compare with

Cornell: 21%, none given, 87%, 630-770, 660-730
Penn: 16%, 65%, 96%, 650-750, 680-770
Dartmouth: 15%, 62%, 91%, 660-770, 670-780
Brown: 14%, none given, 92%, 660-760, 670-770
Columbia: 11%, none given, none given, 660-760, 670-780
Princeton:10%, 82%, 96% 690-790,700-790
Yale: 10%, none given, 97%, 700-800, 700-790
Harvard: 9%, none given, 95%, 700-800, 700-790

UGA and Texas (and most of the other "public Ivies") are not even close.

[BadCat25]

violetpretty - UGA isn't even Vandy. Mid 50% range for class of 2011 - CR 640/730, M 660/740.

[BadCat25]

Or Northwestern - Mid 50% range - CR 670/750, M 680/770

[violetpretty]

No kidding. What I was responding to was the comment that UGA and Texas are "public ivies" by comparing them to the Ivies, and showing that they aren't even close. As for Vandy and Northwestern, I was talking about public schools, so they're not really part of the discussion.

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[breathesgelatin]

snakealum, thanks for the clarification. It sounds like your goddaughter did maximize her options, even attending one sorority for round 3. I'm sorry that she was released. It's sad when girls fall through the cracks.

violetpretty, Michigan is probably up there too.

FWIW, I go to Texas (grad student) and teach Texas students, and while I really love the school, I'm not sure I'd call it a public ivy. I do think that's reserved for the very very very best public schools like UVA, UNC, Cal, etc.

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Don't make me choke. I would agree that UGA and Texas are among the best public schools in the country. Is that what you meant by "public Ivy"? While UGA and Texas are on par with (or slightly below) other competitive presitigious public schools like Penn State, Maryland, UVA, William & Mary, UNC, etc, they pale in comparison to actual Ivy League schools. Keep in mind, I am not knocking the quality of these schools, because I went to one, just that I think the term "public Ivy" is laughable.

Some numbers to compare from collegeboard.com:

% admitted; GPA at or above 3.75; % first-year students in 10% of HS class; Middle 50% SAT Verbal; Middle 50% SAT Math

UGA: 55%, 63%, 51%, 560-660, 570-660
Texas: 51%, none given, 69%, 540-670, 570-700
Penn State: 51%, 31%, 45%, 530-630, 560-670
Maryland: 47%, 65%, 56%, 570-680, 600-700
UVA: 35%, 85%, 87%, 590-700, 610-720
W&M: 34%, 77%, 79%, 630-740, 620-710
UNC: 35%, 93%, 76%, 600-700, 610-700
Cal: 23%, 93%, 98%, 590-710, 630-760

compare with

Cornell: 21%, none given, 87%, 630-770, 660-730
Penn: 16%, 65%, 96%, 650-750, 680-770
Dartmouth: 15%, 62%, 91%, 660-770, 670-780
Brown: 14%, none given, 92%, 660-760, 670-770
Columbia: 11%, none given, none given, 660-760, 670-780
Princeton:10%, 82%, 96% 690-790,700-790
Yale: 10%, none given, 97%, 700-800, 700-790
Harvard: 9%, none given, 95%, 700-800, 700-790

UGA and Texas (and most of the other "public Ivies") are not even close.

Elephant Walk still has the North/South issue up his....
With Ivy being North, he will do anything to boost up SEC and SWC to their level, even at the expense of making us all laugh

[alum]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

Don't make me choke. I would agree that UGA and Texas are among the best public schools in the country. Is that what you meant by "public Ivy"? While UGA and Texas are on par with (or slightly below) other competitive presitigious public schools like Penn State, Maryland, UVA, William & Mary, UNC, etc, they pale in comparison to actual Ivy League schools. Keep in mind, I am not knocking the quality of these schools, because I went to one, just that I think the term "public Ivy" is laughable.

I absolutely agree with you. However, there are several books out there defining the public ivy institution.

William and Mary, UVA, UNC-CH, UC Berkeley, Michigan (AA), UVM, Miami of Ohio, and UT Austin were the original "public ivies". The phrase was used by a college admissions counselor from Yale to define the 8 public higher education institutions most similar to the true Ivies. Another college admissions expert later expanded the list to include other publics by region. UGa is on the 2nd list.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by alum

Another college admissions expert later expanded the list to include other publics by region. UGa is on the 2nd list.

I wonder who that expert was. Hmmm

[texas*princess]

^^^ Someone who was very prestigious and top tier, that's for sure!

[alum]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I wonder who that expert was. Hmmm

The second book that expanded the list is entitled The Public Ivies: America's Flagship Public Universities. It was co-authored by independent college consultants, Howard and Matthew Greene.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I wonder who that expert was. Hmmm

Uga?

He's a very smart dog even if Tech graduates find him cosmetically challenged.

(Personally, I think "Public Ivy" is pushing it for a description of UGA, but it seems to be getting better all the time, and if a student can get in and isn't interested in the programs Tech excels at, the HOPE grant makes it even more attractive.)

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Uga?

He's a very smart dog even if Tech graduates find him cosmetically challenged.

"OK Uga, bark once if we should call an unreasonable amount of schools 'Public Ivies' in our new book, so that PR offices and alumni of as many schools as possible will hype our book and bring it up in conversation, thereby fueling sales and making us rich, rich, rich. I know it sounds silly, but we'll give you a milkbone if it works."

(woof)

"Good boy. Now, bark twice if percentage of applicants admitted is a reliable measure of a school's quality of education."

(woof woof)

"Good dog! Now, let's get you out on the field. Remember, just like we practiced..."

( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGHh14uvKk )

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by gtdxeric

"OK Uga, bark once if we should call an unreasonable amount of schools 'Public Ivies' in our new book, so that PR offices and alumni of as many schools as possible will hype our book and bring it up in conversation, thereby fueling sales and making us rich, rich, rich. I know it sounds silly, but we'll give you a milkbone if it works."

(woof)

"Good boy. Now, bark twice if percentage of applicants admitted is a reliable measure of a school's quality of education."

(woof woof)

"Good dog! Now, let's get you out on the field. Remember, just like we practiced..."

( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGHh14uvKk )

Maybe it WAS Uga's nefarious scheme all along.

It sounds like your objections are to college rankings generally, which probably puts a damper on Tech being so well ranked last week. Or is that somehow more merit based?

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

It sounds like your objections are to college rankings generally, which probably puts a damper on Tech being so well ranked last week. Or is that somehow more merit based?

I try not to let my love for and pride in my school be grounded in the wiggles and variations of something that US News came up with to sell magazines, that's all.