Why? Sophomore UGA story

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by gtdxeric

if uga is a public ivy, i am Francis Ford F***ing Coppola

I didn't you know you made films.

Public Ivy may be pushing it, but it is much harder to get into these days than most people realize. (Although I admit that SAT score looked lower than I was expecting. Most of the kids I see getting in have SATS in the 1300s and 1400s.)

I've even know a couple of kids who got into Tech who didn't get into UGA. Weird I know.

[InHerShoes]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

OP,

I'm not blaming the young women for choosing poorly certainly, but it's possible that the scenario described earlier in the thread did play out a little bit for her.

If she got most of the twelve that she wanted at the end of round one and she is like most PNMs, it may be the case that these were the absolutely most selective chapters who are probably least likely to take many sophomores. Had she instead gone back to her bottom five for second round and these were less selective chapters (for lack of a better way of expressing it), it's possible that she would have ended up with a bid.

Carnation, who I haven't seen posting but who is kind of an SEC rush expert, has noticed that at UGA it's much better to be cut hard after first round because then there's a good chance you can stick with some of your remaining chapters all the way through. If instead you are in a position to "cut" chapters after first, but then are cut hard yourself after second, you have nowhere to go.

This may have been a little bit what happened to your goddaughter.

But the scenario you described is clearly NOT what happened. At UGA you can attend a maximum of 12 parties for round 2. This girl attended 10. This means that 7 groups released HER and SHE did not cut any groups. Where these houses that she visited fell within her rankings we don't know, but it doesn't really matter if they were her top choices or her bottom choices. SHE DID NOT CUT ANY SORORITIES. She attended every party that she was invited to during the week and was released from every house. We do not know the reason why she went bidless, but we know that it was NOT because she didn't maximize her options.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by InHerShoes

But the scenario you described is clearly NOT what happened. At UGA you can attend a maximum of 12 parties for round 2. This girl attended 10. This means that 7 groups released HER and SHE did not cut any groups. Where these houses that she visited fell within her rankings we don't know, but it doesn't really matter if they were her top choices or her bottom choices. SHE DID NOT CUT ANY SORORITIES. She attended every party that she was invited to during the week and was released from every house. We do not know the reason why she went bidless, but we know that it was NOT because she didn't maximize her options.

Thank you. I thought you could go back to 12, but I didn't read carefully enough to see she was only invited back to 10. I was thinking that she only liked 10 of the twelve.

I didn't mean to suggest that she didn't maximize anyway, though, since even if she was in the position to cut after first, she still would have maximized by attending as many parties as she could.

You are right though, my "explanation" is meaningless if she only got 10 invites..

[phimusam]

Also, if she was invited back to ten, we can pretty much dismiss that she was deliberately singled out to be cut.

Regarding people who get into Tech but not into Georgia, it usually has to do with GPA. At UGA, except for AP (or maybe IB) courses, there is no boosting of GPA for honors or gifted courses - at Tech, anything below an A is boosted 1/2 point.

[EE-BO]

To the OP- thank you for coming back and offering more info. As you can see, there are clearer answers now- and my nagging concerns have certainly been explained, plus those of others.

And it is good to have this thread here since it brings out a lot of good points. I did not realize her parents had rushed as sophomores at UGA years ago with no trouble. And waiting a year certainly has advantages. We reading here can never know if waiting a year is what really hurt her, but this story will hopefully help guide some others.

Recruitment at UGA can be brutal. I had a good friend who waited until sophomore year for valid personal reasons which would not have- in and of themselves- affected her suitability for sorority life. And she had one house she really wanted to go- and they wanted her. She was close with many members she had known since high school, had a legacy connection and interacted with many of the members through a church group we all belonged to.

She suicided on her bid card and mismatched even though there was every reason to believe this was a no-brainer (and this is not just what she told me, I personally observed her closeness with members of this sorority.) Who knows what happened, but it did. As devastated as she was at first, she eventually was fine and continued being close with her friends there.

Best wishes to your goddaughter. There is a lot of fun to be had at UGA and the talented young lady you describe will surely have a great college experience.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by snakealum

Snake is a Sigma Nu snake.

AHA!
I knew it!

Originally Posted by gtdxeric

if uga is a public ivy, i am Francis Ford F***ing Coppola

Hahahahahaha. Thank you. That statement made me grab the sides of my laptop, lean in, and say "WHAT?!?!?! Please."

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Hahahahahaha. Thank you. That statement made me grab the sides of my laptop, lean in, and say "WHAT?!?!?! Please."

It may be even funnier to those of us who went there before the HOPE grant got started and standards started improving. It's so much more selective and well regarded than it used to be.

[awkward1]

Some random UGA stats...
Student 1 - 1420 SAT 30 ACT AP and honors courses student council, honors student 3.4 unweighted gpa **rejected**

student 2 - 1320 SAT 29 ACT AP, Honors ,3.65 gpa, cheerleader, varsity lacrosse **rejected**

It may not be ivy league but it is no walk in the park to get into either. So yes, I do believe that most of the girls who are rushing probably are the cream of the crop from their high schools and could probably walk right into Vassar or Vandy.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

UGA is a public ivy like Texas.

Don't make me choke. I would agree that UGA and Texas are among the best public schools in the country. Is that what you meant by "public Ivy"? While UGA and Texas are on par with (or slightly below) other competitive presitigious public schools like Penn State, Maryland, UVA, William & Mary, UNC, etc, they pale in comparison to actual Ivy League schools. Keep in mind, I am not knocking the quality of these schools, because I went to one, just that I think the term "public Ivy" is laughable.

Some numbers to compare from collegeboard.com:

% admitted; GPA at or above 3.75; % first-year students in 10% of HS class; Middle 50% SAT Verbal; Middle 50% SAT Math

UGA: 55%, 63%, 51%, 560-660, 570-660
Texas: 51%, none given, 69%, 540-670, 570-700
Penn State: 51%, 31%, 45%, 530-630, 560-670
Maryland: 47%, 65%, 56%, 570-680, 600-700
UVA: 35%, 85%, 87%, 590-700, 610-720
W&M: 34%, 77%, 79%, 630-740, 620-710
UNC: 35%, 93%, 76%, 600-700, 610-700
Cal: 23%, 93%, 98%, 590-710, 630-760

compare with

Cornell: 21%, none given, 87%, 630-770, 660-730
Penn: 16%, 65%, 96%, 650-750, 680-770
Dartmouth: 15%, 62%, 91%, 660-770, 670-780
Brown: 14%, none given, 92%, 660-760, 670-770
Columbia: 11%, none given, none given, 660-760, 670-780
Princeton:10%, 82%, 96% 690-790,700-790
Yale: 10%, none given, 97%, 700-800, 700-790
Harvard: 9%, none given, 95%, 700-800, 700-790

UGA and Texas (and most of the other "public Ivies") are not even close.

[BadCat25]

violetpretty - UGA isn't even Vandy. Mid 50% range for class of 2011 - CR 640/730, M 660/740.

[BadCat25]

Or Northwestern - Mid 50% range - CR 670/750, M 680/770

[violetpretty]

No kidding. What I was responding to was the comment that UGA and Texas are "public ivies" by comparing them to the Ivies, and showing that they aren't even close. As for Vandy and Northwestern, I was talking about public schools, so they're not really part of the discussion.

[/hijack]

[breathesgelatin]

snakealum, thanks for the clarification. It sounds like your goddaughter did maximize her options, even attending one sorority for round 3. I'm sorry that she was released. It's sad when girls fall through the cracks.

violetpretty, Michigan is probably up there too.

FWIW, I go to Texas (grad student) and teach Texas students, and while I really love the school, I'm not sure I'd call it a public ivy. I do think that's reserved for the very very very best public schools like UVA, UNC, Cal, etc.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by srmom

Yes, thank heavens we're not! Vassar? A UGA person would cut off their foot before they'd choose Vassar.

Weren't Fern and her roommates in Animal House from Vassar?

"Can we dance with your dates?" (couldn't resist)

haha JK! Really!!

Fawn. Fawn Leibowitz. Actually, I think they were students at "Emily Dickinson College."

[AGDee]

Since it was mentioned (and I'm trying to convince my daughter that Michigan is NOT below her)

50%,didn't find it quickly on the site, 92%,630-730, 590-690