Suicide?

[melaxid]

On a campus where even filling quota leaves openings to reach total, women who do not match via formal recruitment (usually due to an intentional single preference) will be picked up via cob.

I have seen this happen a lot as the chapter I initiated at, and the chapter I served as advisor had this situation on their campuses- groups not near total, so even after quota was met via Formal Recruitment, there was a need to cob to reach total.

**note on these campuses total should be lowered by panhellenic to help grow all groups, unfortunately what typically ends up happening is the strong groups get stronger and the smaller groups struggle. It all depends on the panhellenic spirit of the campus, and the greek leadership.

[KSUViolet06]

^^^ I see what you're saying, your school's greek system was small enough that girls who "suicided" and didn't get bids still had the chance to be picked up via COB because not everyone met total even after matching quota during formal recruitment.

[melaxid]

exactly.

it all depends on the campus and group sizes and such.

[SoCalGirl]

I could probably figure it out if I thought about it; but, doesn't suiciding not change your chances (except for QA) of matching with your first choice? You'll either match or you won't. That's why suiciding is only a good idea if there's no way that you want to get your second/third choice.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Doesn't suiciding not change your chances (except for QA) of matching with your first choice? You'll either match or you won't. That's why suiciding is only a good idea if there's no way that you want to get your second/third choice.

Exactly. You have the same chance of getting a bid to your top choice as anyone else who put them 1st.

The only difference is that you are at more of a risk for not getting a bid AT ALL because if you don't match there, you have no 2nd or 3rd choice listed. So if you don't match with your #1, you get released from recruitment entirely.

This is why schools advise girls not to do it, because they know that you lower your chances of getting a bid by doing so.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Exactly. You have the same chance of getting a bid to your top choice as anyone else who put them 1st.

The only difference is that you are at more of a risk for not getting a bid AT ALL because if you don't match there, you have no 2nd or 3rd choice listed. So if you don't match with your #1, you get released from recruitment entirely.

This is why schools advise girls not to do it, because they know that you lower your chances of getting a bid by doing so.

Plus, you have no chance of being a QA, so you hurt yourself twice.

[SWTXBelle]

Sometimes PNM are under the false assumption that by suiciding they will somehow increase the odds that they will get the chapter they put down. I've had to explain to PNM that that is NOT how it works.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Plus, you have no chance of being a QA, so you hurt yourself twice.

But, and it's not that I'm pro-SIPing, if you really don't want your second and third group, it's probably not a good idea to list them just to try to increase your chances of being a QA, especially if one or both of the second and third groups are smaller than your first choice group.

(If you don't really want the 2nd and 3rd group and you list them just to increase the chances of QA at #1, you're basically betting that all three groups will match to quota before you get a bid and that your #1 group will still be eligible for QAs when they get to your name. I don't think it's a good bet in the age of release figures. Back in the olden days when groups invited as many people back as they wanted and preffed a full three-times-quota, it might have happened, but today, if you pref three groups, you are probably high enough on someone's list to match in regular matching, but there is no guarantee that it's your first choice.)

But if your are thinking of "suiciding" you really have to ask yourself, "would I rather not be Greek than join these other groups?" and the answers has to be "100% yes."

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I could probably figure it out if I thought about it; but, doesn't suiciding not change your chances (except for QA) of matching with your first choice? You'll either match or you won't. That's why suiciding is only a good idea if there's no way that you want to get your second/third choice.

You are correct. You have the same chance of anyone else to get your first (and only choice.) I think "suiciding" is less risky than in prior years since most campus panhellenics are reporting that women are getting their top pics the vast majority of the time. If you are high on your chapter's of choice list, you will get a bid. The computer does not penalize you and drop you to the bottom or any other such nonsense. The issue is that if you can at all see yourself in another group, list them so that you have a lower chance of walking away empty handed at the end of recruitment!

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think "suiciding" is less risky than in prior years since most campus panhellenics are reporting that women are getting their top pics the vast majority of the time.

And that is probably because of release figures.

[GeekyPenguin]

beebadger, please check your private messages!

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You are correct. You have the same chance of anyone else to get your first (and only choice.) I think "suiciding" is less risky than in prior years since most campus panhellenics are reporting that women are getting their top pics the vast majority of the time. If you are high on your chapter's of choice list, you will get a bid. The computer does not penalize you and drop you to the bottom or any other such nonsense. The issue is that if you can at all see yourself in another group, list them so that you have a lower chance of walking away empty handed at the end of recruitment!

I think I was trying to point out that your chances are the same of getting your first choice regardless if you SIP or not, regardless of any other PNM. You're counting on being either on the 1st bid list or high enough on the 2nd to slide into your first choice's NM class.

If you SIP and match, you would have matched your first choice even if you hadn't SIP.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I think I was trying to point out that your chances are the same of getting your first choice regardless if you SIP or not, regardless of any other PNM. You're counting on being either on the 1st bid list or high enough on the 2nd to slide into your first choice's NM class.

If you SIP and match, you would have matched your first choice even if you hadn't SIP.

We're saying the exact same thing!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by melaxid

**note on these campuses total should be lowered by panhellenic to help grow all groups, unfortunately what typically ends up happening is the strong groups get stronger and the smaller groups struggle. It all depends on the panhellenic spirit of the campus, and the greek leadership.

Melaxid, I wish I could get you in a meeting with a campus Greek Advisor I know, you hit the nail on the head!!!