Suicide?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I could probably figure it out if I thought about it; but, doesn't suiciding not change your chances (except for QA) of matching with your first choice? You'll either match or you won't. That's why suiciding is only a good idea if there's no way that you want to get your second/third choice.

You are correct. You have the same chance of anyone else to get your first (and only choice.) I think "suiciding" is less risky than in prior years since most campus panhellenics are reporting that women are getting their top pics the vast majority of the time. If you are high on your chapter's of choice list, you will get a bid. The computer does not penalize you and drop you to the bottom or any other such nonsense. The issue is that if you can at all see yourself in another group, list them so that you have a lower chance of walking away empty handed at the end of recruitment!

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think "suiciding" is less risky than in prior years since most campus panhellenics are reporting that women are getting their top pics the vast majority of the time.

And that is probably because of release figures.

[GeekyPenguin]

beebadger, please check your private messages!

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You are correct. You have the same chance of anyone else to get your first (and only choice.) I think "suiciding" is less risky than in prior years since most campus panhellenics are reporting that women are getting their top pics the vast majority of the time. If you are high on your chapter's of choice list, you will get a bid. The computer does not penalize you and drop you to the bottom or any other such nonsense. The issue is that if you can at all see yourself in another group, list them so that you have a lower chance of walking away empty handed at the end of recruitment!

I think I was trying to point out that your chances are the same of getting your first choice regardless if you SIP or not, regardless of any other PNM. You're counting on being either on the 1st bid list or high enough on the 2nd to slide into your first choice's NM class.

If you SIP and match, you would have matched your first choice even if you hadn't SIP.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

I think I was trying to point out that your chances are the same of getting your first choice regardless if you SIP or not, regardless of any other PNM. You're counting on being either on the 1st bid list or high enough on the 2nd to slide into your first choice's NM class.

If you SIP and match, you would have matched your first choice even if you hadn't SIP.

We're saying the exact same thing!

[UWO_2007]

I think suicide is a dangerous game of roulette. We had a sorority on campus (I just finished recruitment last night) that "dirty rushed" a lot of girls, telling them to suicide sorority "A" and they would pick that PNM. Out of about 20-25 girls... they only took 6. They knew going in that they could only take 6...

[BabyPiNK_FL]

Well when everyone plays by the rules, suicide can be good if you'd rather have no bid if you can't be ABC. It doesn't work when there are unPanhellenic things going on!

I personally advocate suicide. Okay that sounds so wrong! I pesonally advocate SIP. Don't take up a space that someone else really may have wanted or lead another group on thinking you're jumping off stage on bid day to them when you would rather eat dirt and run crying down the street after opening the envelope!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Well when everyone plays by the rules, suicide can be good if you'd rather have no bid if you can't be ABC. It doesn't work when there are unPanhellenic things going on!

I personally advocate suicide. Okay that sounds so wrong! I pesonally advocate SIP. Don't take up a space that someone else really may have wanted or lead another group on thinking you're jumping off stage on bid day to them when you would rather eat dirt and run crying down the street after opening the envelope!

I think that advocating SIP is not realistic. Of course with the release figures, most when are getting their first choice. Recruitment is a confusing time. If a PNM gets stuck on one group and basically ignores the attributes of another group, how would she know that she'd rather shoot herself than become a member. Giving a group the chance to convince you after your released from your favorite group is the basis of the release figures concept. Not SIPing and giving a group a chance after bid is essentially the same. You have until inititation to really decide if it is truly not for you! The majority of the time, the NM will fit in. There are very few groups out there that people would rather die than be a part of if they actually knew what that group was about. I think we do the NPC chapters and the sisters in those chapters a disservice by implying that they aren't worth peoples' time. Every NPC national organization has a rich history that would benefit anyone! Go Panhellenic!!!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You have until inititation to really decide if it is truly not for you! The majority of the time, the NM will fit in. There are very few groups out there that people would rather than die than be a part of if they actually knew what that group is about.

I agree with your post if the chapters are fairly big (90 or more). There are usually enough women that you can find at least a few that you connect with. But with smaller chapters, sometimes there IS such a difference that you WOULD rather die than be a part of that group.

Also, the time till initiation is increasingly short - and as we've seen here, sometimes the amount of "real life" the NMs are exposed to is somewhat limited. Everything's great for 6 weeks and then boom - you HAVE to go to everything, you find out the chapter politics and it isn't Happy Pony Rainbow Land anymore.