Sexual orientation and MS

LaneSig · #1 08-26-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SECdomination

Progress for the sake of progress is an unfortunate idea.

I don't know what our clause says, but we have no gays in our chapter: and we're doing just fine.

I know of no HQ or IHQ that is saying that you have to take gay members. The nondiscriminatory clauses just mean that ideally, being gay should not be a factor for or against a member or PNM. That being said, there are chapters that would hold it against someone and some that will not.

And, go right ahead believing that there are no gay members in your chapter. There are. They aren't out publicly because either they aren't ready to be out, or they think that they just "Haven't met the right girl yet", or they know that many members of your chapter will not be accepting. You may even have a member or two who are out privately to a couple of the other members that they trust. It happens.

ETA: Sorry, the bold emphasis would not turn off. I tried. I really tried.

macallan25 · #2 08-26-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

I know of no HQ or IHQ that is saying that you have to take gay members. The nondiscriminatory clauses just mean that ideally, being gay should not be a factor for or against a member or PNM. That being said, there are chapters that would hold it against someone and some that will not.

And, go right ahead believing that there are no gay members in your chapter. There are. They aren't out publicly because either they aren't ready to be out, or they think that they just "Haven't met the right girl yet", or they know that many members of your chapter will not be accepting. You may even have a member or two who are out privately to a couple of the other members that they trust. It happens.

ETA: Sorry, the bold emphasis would not turn off. I tried. I really tried.

I get what you are saying, but come on. How do you know "there are" gays in his chapter? That's ridiculous. If you told me that to my face.......I'd argue with you to no end. I mean, are you not practically saying there are gay men in every chapter that none of us "know about yet"? I may be stereotyping and just going off common traits......but I don't find it that difficult to spot a gay man or a guy that is extremely confused with his sexuality. To me, they stick out like a sore thumb.

Senusret I · #3 08-26-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

I get what you are saying, but come on. How do you know "there are" gays in his chapter? That's ridiculous. If you told me that to my face.......I'd argue with you to no end. I mean, are you not practically saying there are gay men in every chapter that none of us "know about yet"? I may be stereotyping and just going off common traits......but I don't find it that difficult to spot a gay man or a guy that is extremely confused with his sexuality. To me, they stick out like a sore thumb.

And then there are guys who aren't confused at all and just don't want or need for you to know.

DeltAlum · #4 08-26-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

And then there are guys who aren't confused at all and just don't want or need for you to know.

And to take it a step farther, why should any of us need to know?

Someone's sexual orientation is his or her business, not mine.

macallan25 · #5 08-26-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

And then there are guys who aren't confused at all and just don't want or need for you to know.

I guess I can respond to you and Delt.

That's a tough subject. I would want to know if a gay man were in my fraternity. Simple as that. I'm perfectly comfortable saying that I wouldn't want to live with one, especially in my room at the fraternity house. I don't agree with it, and I think it would be a bad situation. Other's most definitely feel the same way. If I was living with a guy who hid it from me and then I found out about it later, or walked in on him and some dude.........we would be having a serious problem. People are free to make their own decisions about their sexuality, none of my business. I am extremely against it and overall pretty much disgusted by it, but it's still their choice. In a fraternity/fraternity house setting, I think they should let people know.

ealymc · #6 09-21-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

I guess I can respond to you and Delt.

That's a tough subject. I would want to know if a gay man were in my fraternity. Simple as that. I'm perfectly comfortable saying that I wouldn't want to live with one, especially in my room at the fraternity house. I don't agree with it, and I think it would be a bad situation. Other's most definitely feel the same way. If I was living with a guy who hid it from me and then I found out about it later, or walked in on him and some dude.........we would be having a serious problem. People are free to make their own decisions about their sexuality, none of my business. I am extremely against it and overall pretty much disgusted by it, but it's still their choice. In a fraternity/fraternity house setting, I think they should let people know.

All of this speaks to the very reason that he wouldn't tell you...

AlexMack · #7 08-27-2007, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

I get what you are saying, but come on. How do you know "there are" gays in his chapter? That's ridiculous. If you told me that to my face.......I'd argue with you to no end. I mean, are you not practically saying there are gay men in every chapter that none of us "know about yet"? I may be stereotyping and just going off common traits......but I don't find it that difficult to spot a gay man or a guy that is extremely confused with his sexuality. To me, they stick out like a sore thumb.

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