Male "Sorority" Controversy at Tennessee State

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

AKA Monet, these ignoramuses are hardly humiliating AKA. They don't have that power.

Disrespecting AKA? Without question! Regardless of what they claim, they are disrespecting AKA big time.

But nothing these sad excuses pull can tarnish AKA's fine reputation. Feel angry, but don't feel humiliated.

Cosign, and this goes for any of the D9 sororities.

[Ilaria Ame]

um...so...what i don't really get is why this group of men felt the need to imitate an existing sorority instead of either founding a gay male fraternity or joining a co-ed organization. it's one thing to show respect and admiration for the AKA's; it's quite another to give the front that you are associated with them. and this talk about sisters giving these men information!?!?! they should be ashamed of themselves.

[kathykd2005]

Interesting blog I stumbled upon about transgender members of sororities...

http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2007/...-ready-to.html

[pinkies up]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

Interesting blog I stumbled upon about transgender members of sororities...

http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2007/...-ready-to.html

Wow. This is too much for me to digest. Personally, I feel that my sorority is for women who were born women. I don't have a problem with someone changing their sex, but why not come up with your own sorority. I say this because I cannot call someone my Soror if they are really my "frat".

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by pinkies up

Wow. This is too much for me to digest. Personally, I feel that my sorority is for women who were born women. I don't have a problem with someone changing their sex, but why not come up with your own sorority. I say this because I cannot call someone my Soror if they are really my "frat".

It raises some interesting questions! I personally feel the same way.

[OneTimeSBX]

wow @ above transgender link.

it is hard to be open-armed and welcoming, and exclusive at the same time. someone, somewhere gets their feelings hurt. the thing most people dont realize is transgendered people are often not gay. their bodies develop as the opposite sex as their hormones tell them they are. they truly dont feel like "themselves" until their operations are complete.

i would hope that, one day, a D9 org or any other GLO for that matter could welcome people in that situation. there is no telling how much good they could do our communities and orgs.

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by pinkies up

Wow. This is too much for me to digest. Personally, I feel that my sorority is for women who were born women. I don't have a problem with someone changing their sex, but why not come up with your own sorority. I say this because I cannot call someone my Soror if they are really my "frat".

i don't like the idea of men who had sex change operations because they are "women at heart" (read: gay) joining my org, but i don't personally have a problem with true transgender women who were just "born with something extra" joining at all. although we've never had such a women seek membership...

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

i don't like the idea of men who had sex change operations because they are "women at heart" (read: gay) joining my org, but i don't personally have a problem with true transgender women who were just "born with something extra" joining at all. although we've never had such a women seek membership...

i totally agree. i think i was at one point naive and thought that crossdressers/transgendered people were all gay. it wasnt until i saw a study on the human brain that showed the surprising similarities that females and transgendered males have in common. it was almost like taking a womans brain and putting it into a male. i still can consider you a female/soror/sister, after your brain matches your body.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

"women at heart" (read: gay)

Transgender and transsexual aren't the same thing as being homosexual.

It's the distinction between sex, gender, and sexual orientation.

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Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

[DSTCHAOS]

I watched a show on transsexual and transgenderism last night.

Very interesting and it fits into what the gender and sexuality literature discuss.

I was reminded of the two transgender "women" I met a few months ago. They were obviously born men and had just begun female hormones. I was waiting for one of them to say that "she" wanted to be a Delta.

[OneTimeSBX]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

yes, if that is the way it is going to be, it needs to be specified. once you get your surgeries, DMV will let you change your gender on your license. specifying birth gender will solve that...but it also brings to light the fact that there are women who are born women, but their sex is male!

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sororities need to specify that your birth sex has to be female. This will prevent men whose GENDER (which is social versus "sex" which is biological) is female from attempting to join. It may also prevent hermaphrodites if the sex is ambiguous.

Would we then expell those who may already be members?

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Transgender and transsexual aren't the same thing as being homosexual.

yes, i know. i guess i wasn't clear what i meant: my problem lies with men who have had sex change operations because they want to be women. i would not consider them to be eligible for sisterhood. however, i don't personally make those descisions for my entire sorority, so who knows what will happen in the next 10, 15 years!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Ilaria Ame

i don't like the idea of men who had sex change operations because they are "women at heart" (read: gay) joining my org, but i don't personally have a problem with true transgender women who were just "born with something extra" joining at all. although we've never had such a women seek membership...

Are you sure?

[Ilaria Ame]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Are you sure?

hahaha, thought about that actually, after i made the post. who's to tell? we don't ask for medical history either and i mean, we don't exactly line women up and judge if they're really female, lol.