Justice in America

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by laylo

To believe he should go to jail means you believe that anyone who sleeps with any 15-year-old should go to jail, which would take out a pretty huge chunk of the teen population. Throughout human history 15-year-olds have always had sex and they always will; exceptional contexts of our current society have made it suddenly immoral. I personally advocate abstinence, so I would appeal to 15-year-olds themselves to make that decision, not for the criminal justice system to waste its resources locking up their classmate partners.

Oh come on, are you serious? Please tell me you aren't going to compare what was socially acceptable in the 1600s and 1700s to today's time. Hell, forget the sex, lets just let 13, 14, and 15 year olds marry, have kids....sounds great. While we're at it, lets reinstate burning at the stake and stoning.
Once again, this guy was on videotape, in a gangbang, smoking pot and boozing it up. Some of you people almost act like this is just fine, normal behavior. Immoral is an understatement. The guy should have gone to jail...though, probably not for 10 years. Acting like this is some injustice because of the criminal justice system is ridiculous.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Oh come on, are you serious? Please tell me you aren't going to compare what was socially acceptable in the 1600s and 1700s to today's time. Hell, forget the sex, lets just let 13, 14, and 15 year olds marry, have kids....sounds great. While we're at it, lets reinstate burning at the stake and stoning.
Once again, this guy was on videotape, in a gangbang, smoking pot and boozing it up. Some of you people almost act like this is just fine, normal behavior. Immoral is an understatement. The guy should have gone to jail...though, probably not for 10 years. Acting like this is some injustice because of the criminal justice system is ridiculous.

Yes, I am serious. And yes, I do make connections between what is socially acceptable across time and cultures.

I absolutely did not say that our ethics ought to resemble the ethics of any other time or place. Nor did I say that the behavior was good. I plainly said that I advocate abstinence.

I did say that 15-year-olds in every place and in every time have been sexually active, demonstrating that the activity isn't likely to stop according to our new morals.

You needn't convince me that the act was immoral. Not everything immoral equals prison time. I think that imprisoning highschoolers for sleeping with each other is pointless and a waste of resources, including the resource of their potential.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by laylo

Yes, I am serious. And yes, I do make connections between what is socially acceptable across time and cultures.

I absolutely did not say that our ethics ought to resemble the ethics of any other time or place. Nor did I say that the behavior was good. I plainly said that I advocate abstinence.

I did say that 15-year-olds in every place and in every time have been sexually active, demonstrating that the activity isn't likely to stop according to our new morals.

You needn't convince me that the act was immoral. Not everything immoral equals prison time. I think that imprisoning highschoolers for sleeping with each other is pointless and a waste of resources, including the resource of their potential.

Considering what was happening on the tape......I think he deserved it. 10 years? No. That is too much. But some prison time was warranted. This, to me, wasn't the same thing as a two highschoolers highschoolers having sex behind closed doors.

[Munchkin03]

Did anyone else read where he was sexually active at 13. Ummm, ewww? 13 year old boys are gross, and I felt that way when I was 13.

It's one thing to actually do this stuff, quite another to videotape it. He would be in college today playing football if it wasn't videotaped. 10 years is ri-freaking-diculous for getting a hummer from some HS ho, but not to have any sort of sanctioning at all is just as reproachable.

How much of this is related to the "athletes are gods" mentality that is so common in public high schools? To actually think that this behavior is okay, cute, and fine to videotape shows a whole hell of a lot of arrogance on the part of the dude and his friends.

I wonder how many black baby-daddies the "victim" has now...

[amycat412]

I don't think any prison time was warrented as both girls in the story seem to have been consensually participating in activities.

Now there is a line where consent becomes null and void if she is too wasted to give consent. But come on. they were all peers, it was a party. none of it IMO was intentionally malicious. Edgy, sure. But so what?

He did not deserve prison time, the branding of being a child molester, and I am disgusted that the GA judicial system has treated him so completely unfairly. It disgusts me, frankly.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by amycat412

I don't think any prison time was warrented as both girls in the story seem to have been consensually participating in activities.

Now there is a line where consent becomes null and void if she is too wasted to give consent. But come on. they were all peers, it was a party. none of it IMO was intentionally malicious. Edgy, sure. But so what?

He did not deserve prison time, the branding of being a child molester, and I am disgusted that the GA judicial system has treated him so completely unfairly. It disgusts me, frankly.

Thats interesting... What do you think the outcome would have been if all people involved where 22? And since when is "raping" your peers ok? Doesn't most cases of date rape happen at parties between peers?

[shinerbock]

Put the parents in jail. If your 15 year old daughter is getting gangbanged while on drugs and letting someone tape it, you've got a bit of work left to do as a parent.

[OOhsoflyDELTA#9]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I wonder how many black baby-daddies the "victim" has now...

Alot of white chicks children have Black fathers...whats the face for??

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Thats interesting... What do you think the outcome would have been if all people involved where 22? And since when is "raping" your peers ok? Doesn't most cases of date rape happen at parties between peers?

Where was the rape?? Going from dude to dude in a hotel room giving "brain" makes you alot of things but not a victim...
Those of you who think this is uncommon behavior among teens are kidding yourselves...those of you who think this isn't common among white upper class girls are also kidding yourselves...I work with teens from all walks of life everyday...sex, oral or otherwise is taken lightly by a great part of this age group and even younger..."hooking up" in their minds is ok....the moral values of society as a whole is shot, not just in one demographic...

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

And since when is "raping" your peers ok? Doesn't most cases of date rape happen at parties between peers?

Did you read the article?

"The trial finished that afternoon, and the jury came back with "not guilty" on the rape but "guilty" on the aggravated child molestation."

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by amycat412

I don't think any prison time was warrented as both girls in the story seem to have been consensually participating in activities.

Now there is a line where consent becomes null and void if she is too wasted to give consent. But come on. they were all peers, it was a party. none of it IMO was intentionally malicious. Edgy, sure. But so what?

He did not deserve prison time, the branding of being a child molester, and I am disgusted that the GA judicial system has treated him so completely unfairly. It disgusts me, frankly.

So what if the black guy was five or six years older? Do you think a 23 or 24 year old on tape gang banging a bunch of freshmen and sophmores is acceptable behavior?

So you are telling me if you saw your 15 year old daughter on a video giving head and screwing a bunch of guys in a hotel room while chiefing it up and getting wasted.......you would be fine with it?

All of those kids parents should be locked up too.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by macallan25

So you are telling me if you saw your 15 year old daughter on a video giving head and screwing a bunch of guys in a hotel room while chiefing it up and getting wasted.......you would be fine with it?

There's a difference between being "fine" with your 15-year-old daughter screwing a bunch of guys and thinking that one of the guys involved should be in prison because of it. I agree with amycat that, as long as the girl wasn't too drunk to know what she was doing, sending this guy to prison is ridiculous. It shouldn't be a crime, period. It isn't the government's job to protect 15-year-old girls from whoring themselves out.

[amycat412]

Originally Posted by macallan25

So what if the black guy was five or six years older? Do you think a 23 or 24 year old on tape gang banging a bunch of freshmen and sophmores is acceptable behavior?

So you are telling me if you saw your 15 year old daughter on a video giving head and screwing a bunch of guys in a hotel room while chiefing it up and getting wasted.......you would be fine with it?

All of those kids parents should be locked up too.

My interpretation of the events at that party were that it was not rape. the chick who was gang banged consented wasted... fine line comes in then as to whether she was able to consent.. but can debate that forever.

It is ridiculous to persecute peers for having sex. period.

I don't have kids. Would I want my hypothetical daughter doing that? Hell no, of course not. But it is not my decision to make.

The law is ridiculous and made even more so by its uneven application.

And I guess I have never understood how some states consider oral sex more of a crime than penetration.

I guess my point is, at some level, events that night seemed (again, from my reading) to be consensual. Misguided, sure. If is was, perhaps she said yes because she did not know how to say no--this is not that uncommon. But its a bunch of teens getting in trouble. Parents should be involved. Not jail. Oral sex with someone who initiated it and is 15 to your 17 is NOT a jailable offense IMO.

And I do tend to lean towards this being racial on many levels. And that disgusts me.