Justice in America

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by starang21

who's blaming someone on not succeeding? apparently, reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

Well, its seems pretty clear by you colorful thread title and the posted article that you think this dumbass moron was dealt a serious injustice and prevented from going to college because of the fact that he is black.

....or maybe you think gangbanging a 15 year old on video is acceptable behavior.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Well, its seems pretty clear by you colorful thread title and the posted article that you think this dumbass moron was dealt a serious injustice and prevented from going to college because of the fact that he is black.

....or maybe you think gangbanging a 15 year old on video is acceptable behavior.

so he should get 10 years because some 15 year old girl was a willing participant in group sex?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by starang21

so he should get 10 years because some 15 year old girl was a willing participant in group sex?

I'll agree that 10 years may be a little overboard, but yeah, he should have gone to jail, absolutely. She's 15, I really don't care if she was a willing participant. Just because she is willing doesn't make it right. The fact that they were on camera boozing it up and chiefing the herb didn't help much either I would imagine (of course neither did the fact that it was a full on gangbang).

[laylo]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I'll agree that 10 years may be a little overboard, but yeah, he should have gone to jail, absolutely. She's 15, I really don't care if she was a willing participant. Just because she is willing doesn't make it right.

To believe he should go to jail means you believe that anyone who sleeps with any 15-year-old should go to jail, which would take out a pretty huge chunk of the teen population. Throughout human history 15-year-olds have always had sex and they always will; exceptional contexts of our current society have made it suddenly immoral. I personally advocate abstinence, so I would appeal to 15-year-olds themselves to make that decision, not for the criminal justice system to waste its resources locking up their classmate partners.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by laylo

To believe he should go to jail means you believe that anyone who sleeps with any 15-year-old should go to jail, which would take out a pretty huge chunk of the teen population. Throughout human history 15-year-olds have always had sex and they always will; exceptional contexts of our current society have made it suddenly immoral.

That's attributed to the "protect the children" movement of the 19th and 20th centuries. It started off as a moral movement and then became political and state-monitored.

If we were looking way back in the history of THIS country (since we're not taking an across-continent approach) we'd find that children were once considered little adults who could do, and be treated as, people twice their age.

What's the middle ground? Should society advocate children having sex or not and should age dynamics matter? If we do advocate it and age doesn't matter, should they then be able to drive, drink, and do other stuff that requires a level of reasoning. Then we have to wonder if the gov't should legislate this type of stuff.

Originally Posted by laylo

I personally advocate abstinence, so I would appeal to 15-year-olds themselves to make that decision, not for the criminal justice system to waste its resources locking up their classmate partners.

I agree with you here. But society has safety cushions for everything else. We could go around speaking against drunk driving but without the legislation people would be more able to do whatever the hell they choose. Morality and legality.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by laylo

To believe he should go to jail means you believe that anyone who sleeps with any 15-year-old should go to jail, which would take out a pretty huge chunk of the teen population. Throughout human history 15-year-olds have always had sex and they always will; exceptional contexts of our current society have made it suddenly immoral. I personally advocate abstinence, so I would appeal to 15-year-olds themselves to make that decision, not for the criminal justice system to waste its resources locking up their classmate partners.

Oh come on, are you serious? Please tell me you aren't going to compare what was socially acceptable in the 1600s and 1700s to today's time. Hell, forget the sex, lets just let 13, 14, and 15 year olds marry, have kids....sounds great. While we're at it, lets reinstate burning at the stake and stoning.
Once again, this guy was on videotape, in a gangbang, smoking pot and boozing it up. Some of you people almost act like this is just fine, normal behavior. Immoral is an understatement. The guy should have gone to jail...though, probably not for 10 years. Acting like this is some injustice because of the criminal justice system is ridiculous.

[laylo]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Oh come on, are you serious? Please tell me you aren't going to compare what was socially acceptable in the 1600s and 1700s to today's time. Hell, forget the sex, lets just let 13, 14, and 15 year olds marry, have kids....sounds great. While we're at it, lets reinstate burning at the stake and stoning.
Once again, this guy was on videotape, in a gangbang, smoking pot and boozing it up. Some of you people almost act like this is just fine, normal behavior. Immoral is an understatement. The guy should have gone to jail...though, probably not for 10 years. Acting like this is some injustice because of the criminal justice system is ridiculous.

Yes, I am serious. And yes, I do make connections between what is socially acceptable across time and cultures.

I absolutely did not say that our ethics ought to resemble the ethics of any other time or place. Nor did I say that the behavior was good. I plainly said that I advocate abstinence.

I did say that 15-year-olds in every place and in every time have been sexually active, demonstrating that the activity isn't likely to stop according to our new morals.

You needn't convince me that the act was immoral. Not everything immoral equals prison time. I think that imprisoning highschoolers for sleeping with each other is pointless and a waste of resources, including the resource of their potential.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by laylo

Yes, I am serious. And yes, I do make connections between what is socially acceptable across time and cultures.

I absolutely did not say that our ethics ought to resemble the ethics of any other time or place. Nor did I say that the behavior was good. I plainly said that I advocate abstinence.

I did say that 15-year-olds in every place and in every time have been sexually active, demonstrating that the activity isn't likely to stop according to our new morals.

You needn't convince me that the act was immoral. Not everything immoral equals prison time. I think that imprisoning highschoolers for sleeping with each other is pointless and a waste of resources, including the resource of their potential.

Considering what was happening on the tape......I think he deserved it. 10 years? No. That is too much. But some prison time was warranted. This, to me, wasn't the same thing as a two highschoolers highschoolers having sex behind closed doors.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I'll agree that 10 years may be a little overboard, but yeah, he should have gone to jail, absolutely. She's 15, I really don't care if she was a willing participant. Just because she is willing doesn't make it right. The fact that they were on camera boozing it up and chiefing the herb didn't help much either I would imagine (of course neither did the fact that it was a full on gangbang).

if that's the case, then the jails would be full. this happens way more than you'd think. the verdict and the punishment are incredibly overboard for the "crime"

[shinerbock]

Maybe in your community. Also, it happening more than we might think wouldn't be an excuse, its a reason for action.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Maybe in your community. Also, it happening more than we might think wouldn't be an excuse, its a reason for action.

i doubt that. this happens all over the country.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by starang21

if that's the case, then the jails would be full. this happens way more than you'd think. the verdict and the punishment are incredibly overboard for the "crime"

I've said twice that 10 years is harsh........should he have gone to jail. Yes.

.....and i'm sorry, but just because you think it happens all over the place doesn't make it any better or serve as any form of acceptable excuse. Certainly doesn't happen anywhere that I have lived.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

If that's smart to you then I don't know what isn't.

So is how you see it supposed to negate something?

I was being sarcastic.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I was being sarcastic.

I figured that after the fact.