SMU student found dead at SAE House

DeltAlum · #1 12-21-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reality Check1

The members of the SAE Fraternity at SMU should feel awful, because their culture contributed to this young man's death. Did they force him to do drugs? No, but don't tell me that they didn't make access to these things easier for the young man?

We don't know this -- at least I don't.

My guess is that the college culture in general is as much or more of a factor as SAE's.

IF it is a chapter culture, though, I'll say that it should be closed.

Tom Earp · #2 12-21-2006, 04:10 PM

Remeber, no matter what GLO it concerns, it concerns all of us as Greek Members.

There is no flip comments as it saddens every member of the Greek Social World.

If someone does do what was supposedly done when it came to drugs then it should be an important part of the Chapter to try to correct it. I do not care what Campus it is on or how strong the GLO is, a young man died and that is what is the most important thing.

I was accused by an SAE for being hard hearted and that must have been why I railed at a local TV station about running and over long item at the top of the 10:00 news about SAE and a hazing situation and being removed from Campus.

If a member of any GLO dies, we must ask why. Then ask why nothing was done to aid the member before this happened.

tunatartare · #3 12-21-2006, 04:25 PM

Tom, to you this man may just be a statistic or a Risk Management example, but to others he was a friend and brother. It is a tragedy that he died and I think that you should let the SAE's mourn in peace and deal with it in their own way and not drag Risk Management issues into it. You would not want people to treat an LXA death in this manner.

JamesBond007 · #4 12-21-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tunatartare

Tom, to you this man may just be a statistic or a Risk Management example, but to others he was a friend and brother. It is a tragedy that he died and I think that you should let the SAE's mourn in peace and deal with it in their own way and not drag Risk Management issues into it. You would not want people to treat an LXA death in this manner.

If you're having trouble with this fellow, perhaps I can be of some assistance? Maybe, make him disappear?

tunatartare · #5 12-22-2006, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesBond007

If you're having trouble with this fellow, perhaps I can be of some assistance? Maybe, make him disappear?

That would be amazing.

Elephant Walk · #6 12-22-2006, 12:55 AM

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The school's fraternities are "certainly not known for problems of this type," he said.

I don't know about that quote.

The amount of cocaine done at Southern Methodist, especially among greek life, is damn near legendary.

Tom Earp · #7 12-22-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tunatartare

Tom, to you this man may just be a statistic or a Risk Management example, but to others he was a friend and brother. It is a tragedy that he died and I think that you should let the SAE's mourn in peace and deal with it in their own way and not drag Risk Management issues into it. You would not want people to treat an LXA death in this manner.

You spout words, but there was no belittlement intended.

If you have read any of my posts about the death of a Greek Member, I do not care what GLO they are from as it saddens all of us especially me. While not from My GLO, He was a member of a society that we profess and back.

But, them when someone mentions drug usage at certain schools, I wonder who is keeping an eye on their fellow Brothers and Sisters. If this is to become a bigger problem, yes there is a R M problem. If it was a member of LXA, I would mourn and wonder why did it happen?

PeppyGPhiB · #8 12-22-2006, 06:45 PM

I have no idea what the greek culture is like at SMU in regards to drug use, but what I find saddest about this situation is that this young man obviously had a serious addiction (three narcotics in his system, plus alcohol?!) yet I'm wondering whether his brothers knew about and/or tried to help him? If this was a unique case in the fraternity, I would think the brothers would have noticed something was up and tried to help. If it is not an isolated case, well, that's just scary and I hope the chapter and national steps in to make sure the whole chapter gets help.

Elephant Walk · #9 12-22-2006, 08:16 PM

Hardly an addiction. Three drugs in a night is usually just the start.

In moderation, of course.

PeppyGPhiB · #10 12-23-2006, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Hardly an addiction. Three drugs in a night is usually just the start.

In moderation, of course.

I hope you're being sarcastic. The nature of the drugs, plus that he took them in the same night, suggest compulsive behavior...there was no need for him to take all those drugs to get high. If it was his first time taking them, he probably would've tried them one at a time so he could experience the high each of them gave him. But to take a drug they give cancer patients for pain, plus cocaine, plus another narcotic, then drink...I'm guessing this was not the first time he mixed. When you consider that all of those drugs are HIGHLY addictive, it's not very hard to conclude he had a problem. He was probably so numb he felt nothing most of the time, which is why he probably didn't think anything of combining them.

Money is no excuse for abusing drugs. I grew up with kids from loaded families, and went to college with rich kids, and narcotics were not used as casually as some threads on GC make it seem. Alcohol and pot, then x, were popular, but never cocaine or other hard narcotics. And if it's that popular in the greek system at SMU, well, I'm glad I didn't go to SMU then. I would not want to be surrounded by a bunch of cokeheads and can't believe people consider it no big deal.