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[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

I think that most college-educated women can figure out how to behave without a "code of online behavior" from their sororities. Those who can't can be dealt with, but there's no reason to treat the others like children.

Oh, I'm not saying treat them like children. I'm just stating that if internet discussion of certain topics is a "hot button" for certain GLO's, then they should have a policy on it.

My entire point is that I feel that certain folks have greatly exaggerated how some GLO's feel about AI being discussed on the internet. Are they speaking for the GLO or just for themselves?

If it was that important, the sorority would have a policy.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

My entire point is that I feel that certain folks have greatly exaggerated how some GLO's feel about AI being discussed on the internet. Are they speaking for the GLO or just for themselves?

If it was that important, the sorority would have a policy.

And that's the problem. Not every member of a GLO will be current on the org's latest policy. So, when you have situations like GC where anyone can post anything it leads to confusion.

I mean look at me. I'm not even in a NPC org, but I'm here discussing NPC business. This would never happen on one of the D9 forums because the mod would come in and either delete the non-member's post, or close / delete the thread all together.

The worst part in all of this is not so much that people cannot agree, it is that members of the same org can not agree or understand the policy of their org.

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

And that's the problem. Not every member of a GLO will be current on the org's latest policy. So, when you have situations like GC where anyone can post anything it leads to confusion.

I mean look at me. I'm not even in a NPC org, but I'm here discussing NPC business. This would never happen on one of the D9 forums because the mod would come in and either delete the non-member's post, or close / delete the thread all together.

The worst part in all of this is not so much that people cannot agree, it is that members of the same org can not agree or understand the policy of their org.

I agree with you 100%, however, how does this differ from anything else you find on the internet? It doesn't. If someone wants 100% accurate information, then they need to contact the sorority at their national or find a member who knows.

If someone starts the AI process and doesn't do their homework and doesn't go about the process correctly, then that's just tough noogies. That is what you get for trying to get all of your info from a website.

I don't feel sorry for anyone that uses GC as their only source for sorority or fraternity information about AI or anything else regarding the organizations.

[adpiucf]

Simply put, sorority HQ's don't care about Greek Chat or these petty conversations. They're busy with real life collegiate programming and they're not going to police anonymous screen names with crimes against society for name calling or unsportsmanlike behavior against other anonymous screen names.

AI policies are unique to each sorority and are published for the members of those sororities. Anything read on GC isn't an official statement of sorority policy and the reason for the displeasure in the AI forum is that a new stereotype is being perpetuated: that AI is recruitment. We just don't want to waste the time of our organizations fielding requests from PNAI's when the true intent of AI (as of this moment in time) is for the sorority to make the initial approach. Having AI as recruitment is not a place that we are prepared to be at this time.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I agree with you 100%, however, how does this differ from anything else you find on the internet? It doesn't. If someone wants 100% accurate information, then they need to contact the sorority at their national or find a member who knows.

If someone starts the AI process and doesn't do their homework and doesn't go about the process correctly, then that's just tough noogies. That is what you get for trying to get all of your info from a website.

I don't feel sorry for anyone that uses GC as their only source for sorority or fraternity information about AI or anything else regarding the organizations.

But it does differ greatly for GLOs in that certain pieces of information are considered for members only - meaning if you are not a member then you do not need to know. The probelm with the internet is that you really don't know who you are talking to . That is why GLO members have to be especially careful discussing their org's business on the internet.

The problem comes when the information given is misleading or just wrong. It confuses people. No one wants their org to be associated with a state of confusion. It just implies that all is not right with the org, so why would anyone want to join it. There is a bigger picture to this issue that I don't think some people understand or see.

[PenguinTrax]

Hopefully everyone has taken some time over the last couple of days to step back and let cooler heads prevail.

The thread is reopen for discussion, but I caution everyone to keep things on topic and impersonal.

[adpiucf]

excellent point. While NPC has unamious recruitment agreements applicable to collegiate membership intake, AI is specific to each sorority. So an NPC woman would be well within her rights to offer advice to a PNM.

I think the major issue is just that we don't want to "advertise" AI to non-members.

[Drolefille]

I agree that we don't want to advertise, but I think that people looking at AI who come to GC should be able to talk about it. If someone comes on here shopping, then you bust them for shopping, but you don't screw over those doing it "right" because of it.

IF the AI forum is deleted, I don't want to see discussion prohibited completely. I think that would be a good compromise in many ways. If the threads are just in Greek Life they won't be promoting anything. And I'm in favor of education over ignorance: better to tell them no way in hell, then to let them hope that maybe someday they'll be an XYZ.

[greekalum]

For many organizations, if they are doing it "right" they aren't sharing their "quest" with the internet.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I agree that we don't want to advertise, but I think that people looking at AI who come to GC should be able to talk about it.

What about people who don't find out about AI until they discover it on GC?

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

excellent point. While NPC has unamious recruitment agreements applicable to collegiate membership intake, AI is specific to each sorority. So an NPC woman would be well within her rights to offer advice to a PNM.

I think the major issue is just that we don't want to "advertise" AI to non-members.

If the AI forum is disbanded, I for one, wouldn't be posting here any longer and I would'nt recommend it to anyone else who is looking to AI either. From the dates in the AI forum, there are fewer and fewer posts for AI and it is getting less and less active for AI's. I think potential AI members are tired of getting attacked for their interests and getting grilled by other GC members, who may NOT EVEN be a member of the sorority they are looking at, about why they want to join, etc. That isn't anyone's business, it's between the PNAI and the AA, and no PNAI should have to justify it to anyone on GC.

The reason is, there is too much back-stabbing, vindictive behavior on GC. I have been reading through alot of threads, it's better than a book. I saw one thread (on the collegiate side) where a girl's boyfriend had dumped her, and his NEW girlfriend was getting ready to rush in the Spring at another college...she was posting to see if she should call the sorority there because "she couldn't deal with potentially having her as a sister". That's just nothing but high-school BULLSH*T, and I have read the same thing on the AI side. If a member gets into a fight on GC with PNAI, the first thing they say is, "We'll make sure you don't get in."

I just don't understand where that kind of thinking comes from.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

If the AI forum is disbanded, I for one, wouldn't be posting here any longer and I would'nt recommend it to anyone else who is looking to AI either. From the dates in the AI forum, there are fewer and fewer posts for AI and it is getting less and less active for AI's. I think potential AI members are tired of getting attacked for their interests and getting grilled by other GC members, who may NOT EVEN be a member of the sorority they are looking at, about why they want to join, etc. That isn't anyone's business, it's between the PNAI and the AA, and no PNAI should have to justify it to anyone on GC.

The reason is, there is too much back-stabbing, vindictive behavior on GC. I have been reading through alot of threads, it's better than a book. I saw one thread (on the collegiate side) where a girl's boyfriend had dumped her, and his NEW girlfriend was getting ready to rush in the Spring at another college...she was posting to see if she should call the sorority there because "she couldn't deal with potentially having her as a sister". That's just nothing but high-school BULLSH*T, and I have read the same thing on the AI side. If a member gets into a fight on GC with PNAI, the first thing they say is, "We'll make sure you don't get in."

I just don't understand where that kind of thinking comes from.

To be fair, the AI discussions that have turned into the "where should I write a letter to prevent you from joining" are ones that have turned out to be train wrecks on the PNAI's part as well as the other GC'ers.

Personally, I trust in my sisters' judgments.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

If the AI forum is disbanded, I for one, wouldn't be posting here any longer and I would'nt recommend it to anyone else who is looking to AI either. From the dates in the AI forum, there are fewer and fewer posts for AI and it is getting less and less active for AI's. I think potential AI members are tired of getting attacked for their interests and getting grilled by other GC members, who may NOT EVEN be a member of the sorority they are looking at, about why they want to join, etc. That isn't anyone's business, it's between the PNAI and the AA, and no PNAI should have to justify it to anyone on GC.

The reason is, there is too much back-stabbing, vindictive behavior on GC. I have been reading through alot of threads, it's better than a book. I saw one thread (on the collegiate side) where a girl's boyfriend had dumped her, and his NEW girlfriend was getting ready to rush in the Spring at another college...she was posting to see if she should call the sorority there because "she couldn't deal with potentially having her as a sister". That's just nothing but high-school BULLSH*T, and I have read the same thing on the AI side. If a member gets into a fight on GC with PNAI, the first thing they say is, "We'll make sure you don't get in."

I just don't understand where that kind of thinking comes from.

Actually, membership in my organization is my business. That pretty much answers everything in your post.

ETA: Drolefille is right though....it has to be pretty extreme for anyone to actually contact HQ.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

If the AI forum is disbanded, I for one, wouldn't be posting here any longer and I would'nt recommend it to anyone else who is looking to AI either.

Posterity.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

The reason is, there is too much back-stabbing, vindictive behavior on GC. I have been reading through alot of threads, it's better than a book. I saw one thread (on the collegiate side) where a girl's boyfriend had dumped her, and his NEW girlfriend was getting ready to rush in the Spring at another college...she was posting to see if she should call the sorority there because "she couldn't deal with potentially having her as a sister". That's just nothing but high-school BULLSH*T, and I have read the same thing on the AI side. If a member gets into a fight on GC with PNAI, the first thing they say is, "We'll make sure you don't get in."

Obviously you didn't read that thread in its entirely or just forgot about what it actually said. The girl in question has a big time drug and alcohol problem. You also obviously didn't read the follow up, dear, as many people followed up encouraging her to base any potential action she may take on facts, not her personal drama.