UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....

Anyways, I'm not surprised by this. It is UGA after all.

Who is debating whether black women would find it offensive? I am sure some did. I am sure a lot of people who are not black women find this offensive. That is what makes this incident so dumb- that is was a pointless public exhibition that served no purpose whatsoever.

But this is a free country and this was freedom of expression- even if that freedom was exercised in the poorest of taste.

The punishment for being offensive is that your reputation suffers in the public eye.

Yet now there are people on this thread who think Chi Phi should be kicked off campus even though, a) we don't have all the facts and, b) individuals on this forum- myself included- have offered some more insight into why this particular incident, given the facts presented, is not a clear cut case of wrongdoing by Chi Phi as a chapter or national organization.

But to top it off, you have now said "This is UGA after all" and you are making a definitive statement about a 30,000 member University based on the actions of 7 freshman who made a very bad decision.

This is the kind of thing that kills civil debate. I and others have tried to frame a discussion around this which gets to very important issues about Risk Management and how an adult should behave when representing himself and another group of people.

And the response from some has been to say basically,

1. White men
2. Fraternity
3. Southern University
4. Guilty
5. Kick a whole chapter of a fraternity off campus (and out of school too no doubt if some of you had your way)

How does that attitude to anything to better anybody's situation here? How is that a rational response to what really happened here?

Last time I looked this was GreekChat.com. How is the turn this thread has taken doing anything to forward forum members' understanding and handling of a situation that involves a fraternal organization?

[Firehouse]

OK, the fact is that these guys are idiots, and that puts them solidly in a large category of college students. I don't know if freedom of expression is enough to get the fraternity off the hook for this aprticular act of stupidity.

However, it's interesting that had Chi Phi members been participatng in some sort of sophomoric sociology experiment churned out by some grad student, the whole thing would be written off as an academic exercise ("We were tryin to record the reaction of random people, man.").

Chi Phi would be wise to shut up, apologize to everyone, and lay low for awhile.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Firehouse

However, it's interesting that had Chi Phi members been participatng in some sort of sophomoric sociology experiment churned out by some grad student, the whole thing would be written off as an academic exercise ("We were tryin to record the reaction of random people, man.").

At many institutions, the students AND instructors/faculty member(s) in charge would be subject to disciplinary action.

ETA: No TAs with a grain of brain and ethics would think up such an exercise for undergraduates. But if they did, they would be smart enough to consult the sociology department and Institutional Review Board (IRB) beforehand.

[Elephant Walk]

"Being called ignorant by a regular Greekchatter is like being called racist by a liberal, you know they're losing the argument." - Elephant Walk, Sept. 5, 2006 9:40 pm "AOPi at Arkansas" thread.

That woul be a death knell quote....if I were a regular Greekchatter. However, by calling me one is a pretty good offense...and there was no argument.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

That woul be a death knell quote....if I were a regular Greekchatter. However, by calling me one is a pretty good offense...and there was no argument.

Huh? LOL

This retort is as humorous as when you argued that slavery was anti-capitalism.

[Elephant Walk]

I don't want to argue it here...but how is there any possible way that slavery could pro-capitalism? How? seriously, slavery is the antithesis of capitalism. Slavery mixes well with mercantilism, but that's borderline fascism.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I don't want to argue it here

Good idea.

[PhrozenGod01]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

At many institutions, the students AND instructors/faculty member(s) in charge would be subject to disciplinary action.

ETA: No TAs with a grain of brain and ethics would think up such an exercise for undergraduates. But if they did, they would be smart enough to consult the sociology department and Institutional Review Board (IRB) beforehand.

I have to disagree a little bit. I have done two such experiments for sociology classes in high school and college. They were more open ended though. They did not specifically tell us to show porn to people or anything like that, but we were all supposed to do something deviant in public. The instructors and TA's told us before we began, that if students broke any laws, those same students would be fully liable. So if people get arrested, beat up, or punished for their actions in the experiment, it's their own fault.

In this case, I could care less to a point. I'm kind of glad that those Chi Phi pledges are seeing their first amendment rights cut up and used against them. I kind of think about what would have happened a few decades ago if some Black students, greek or not, had pulled that same kind of stunt with a Playboy or something. Even if it was perfectly legal, I shudder to think of how severely they would have been dealt with by students and staff alike.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PhrozenGod01

They did not specifically tell us to show porn to people or anything like that. The instructors and TA's told us before we began, that if students broke any laws, those same students would be fully liable. So if people get arrested, beat up, or punished for their actions in the experiment, it's their own fault.

Then you don't really disagree with me.

The law holds the students accountable but the institutions hold the (students and) TAs/faculty accountable. Been there, done that.

[PhrozenGod01]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Then you don't really disagree with me.

You're right. I just haven't said anything in a while.