UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

[Soul D-Psi-ple]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yes, the similarity is that some people find all these things to be offensive. Are you going to try and tell me that your being offended is worht more than someone else being offended? That's pretty darned arrogant.
No. I said that comparing the issue of abortion to racism does not make any sense. Now, of course this is my opinion. People debate about whether abortion is right or wrong. When it comes the issue of racism, IT IS CLEARY WRONG! LOL That's what I'm saying.

People opposed to abortion (again, I'm not one of them, but I think this is a great example {if you say so...})believe that abortion is the same as killing babies. What you are saying is that it's okay to offend someone who thinks you're promoting baby killing (never said that), but an action which states nothing racist, but makes you feel they had racial intentions (it was inappropriate) is not okay? Those are some interesting lines you've drawn there.

So you'd like the government to protect you from things which offend people? Or just things which offend only you?

I could careless actually.

You're asking for the government to close an organization which can't even directly be connected to the event. Their only connection was that these (two?) kids were members and they were doing something which caused contraversy. So far, you nor anyone has been able to show the fact that Chi Phi is directly responsible for this.

I don't believe any org should be closed. I hate seeing that. They should be punished however.

You'd have the University penalize the entire organization without a shred of proof other than circumstance and speculation just because some probationary members did something maybe on their own accord which angered you. Am I not accurate?

Those probationary MEMBERS represent Chi Phi. There are some things that you just don't do when you are representing a national organization. Actions must take place. Chi Phi IS responsible for the actions of their PROBATIONARY MEMBERS and they must be accountable for them.

People! These are grown @ss men! Let them be accountable for their actions! LOL

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

Those probationary MEMBERS represent Chi Phi. There are some things that you just don't do when you are representing a national organization. Actions must take place. Chi Phi IS responsible for the actions of their PROBATIONARY MEMBERS and they must be accountable for them.

So when Chi Phi accepted these guys as pledges, the chapter assumed responsibility for every thing any pledge does? Remarkable.

If two underage, probationary members of your chapter are caught drinking in their dorm rooms or on the sidewalk, should your whole chapter be held accountable and punished?

[Soul D-Psi-ple]

Originally Posted by MysticCat81

So when Chi Phi accepted these guys as pledges, the chapter assumed responsibility for every thing any pledge does? Remarkable.

From the MOMENT these guys became probationary MEMBERS, they became one of the many representatives of that chapter. It's not my fault that they weren't mindful of their actions even they knew that OTHERS knew that they were associated with the UGA chapter of Chi Phi.

If two underage, probationary members of your chapter are caught drinking in their dorm rooms or on the sidewalk, should your whole chapter be held accountable and punished?

I'd love to answer this, but to be honest, this little scenario you just layed down would never take place.

[Kevin]

No. I said that comparing the issue of abortion to racism does not make any sense. Now, of course this is my opinion. People debate about whether abortion is right or wrong. When it comes the issue of racism, IT IS CLEARY WRONG! LOL That's what I'm saying.

Not so long ago, this statement was not true. I'm not sure it's even true today. There are some folks who think racism is perfectly alright, that their race is superior to the other(s), etc. They might not call it racism, but "white supremacy," or folks that believe in the melanin theory, etc.

People opposed to abortion (again, I'm not one of them, but I think this is a great example [/b]{if you say so...}[/b])believe that abortion is the same as killing babies. What you are saying is that it's okay to offend someone who thinks you're promoting baby killing (never said that), but an action which states nothing racist, but makes you feel they had racial intentions (it was inappropriate) is not okay? Those are some interesting lines you've drawn there.

Okay, so you think that the group rallying for abortion rights ought to be punished for their views if they offend others? Because if you say you "never said that," then you must be supportive of the idea of punishing ANY offensive speach. The trouble with that is that what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another. Where do you want to draw the line? Would you punish Christians rallying against homosexual rights? Or would you punish homosexuals rallying against Christians? Israelis protesting terrorist activities? Or would you punish Palestinian students for protesting the Israeli occupation?

You don't seem to mind punishing some speach, so which speach is okay, and which isn't? Are you the one who gets to decide this? Also, what makes you think that this is racism? The picture is of a black woman. So what? Are all pictures of black women racist?

Those probationary MEMBERS represent Chi Phi. There are some things that you just don't do when you are representing a national organization. Actions must take place. Chi Phi IS responsible for the actions of their PROBATIONARY MEMBERS and they must be accountable for them.

What type of 'actions' would you have take place? I appreciate that you are offended, but besides you, who should care about your being offended? Why Chi Phi? Why not also punish the French Club if these guys are members of that as well?

I don't mean to sound harsh. I appreciate your responses.

[Soul D-Psi-ple]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not so long ago, this statement was not true. I'm not sure it's even true today. There are some folks who think racism is perfectly alright, that their race is superior to the other(s), etc. They might not call it racism, but "white supremacy," or folks that believe in the melanin theory, etc.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaan, no matter how you look at it, racism is wrong. LOL.

Okay, so you think that the group rallying for abortion rights ought to be punished for their views if they offend others? Because if you say you "never said that," then you must be supportive of the idea of punishing ANY offensive speach. The trouble with that is that what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another. Where do you want to draw the line? Would you punish Christians rallying against homosexual rights? Or would you punish homosexuals rallying against Christians? Israelis protesting terrorist activities? Or would you punish Palestinian students for protesting the Israeli occupation?

Wow, you're really putting ALOT of words in my mouth. Stop it.

You don't seem to mind punishing some speach, so which speach is okay, and which isn't? Are you the one who gets to decide this? Also, what makes you think that this is racism? The picture is of a black woman. So what? Are all pictures of black women racist?

We're going to throw out this Racism ish, it's really not fitting well in this arguement. To whom ever brought it up, shame on you. Anyways, I believe the reason why some black women were offended by what the pledges was because it looks like they are flat out degraded black women. Why not show naken pictures white, asian, hispanic, or middle eastern women too? True the women in the photographs degraded themselves by being in the pictures but that's another whole issue. Why just black women? IF they were offended they have every right to be. And still I say, what they did was inappropriate. Had they shown pictures of naked women of other races it still would be inappropriate and they still should face reprocutions(sp). Should the whole chapter be punished? No, but they will need to answer for these guys and they cleary did and are cooperating with the administration. If it was found that the chapter was behind this then, yea, they should be punished. Period.


What type of 'actions' would you have take place? I appreciate that you are offended, but besides you, who should care about your being offended? Why Chi Phi? Why not also punish the French Club if these guys are members of that as well?

Oh, I'm not offended. Just bored. Anyways, sactions are always a good start. Now, kicking folks off the yard is harsh. But, sending a simple message saying that some actions are just unacceptable is ok to me. You don't have to suspend chapters for incidents like that.
I don't mean to sound harsh. I appreciate your responses.

Intelligence doesn't sound harsh to me.