UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

Kevin · #1 09-13-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

It's not only racially offensive, but sexually offensive. My opinion is only my opinion. Most likely that will not happen because it won't be taken as a very "serious" offense as that is the usual response when "boys will be boys" regardless of how stupid or offensive the act is. I'm taking a lot of Women's Studies courses this semester and the things I am learning about sexism and racism are really opening my eyes to the world and the way it involves myself. It was solely my opinion. That's all.

Well, what you are proposing goes way beyond "boys will be boys" or whatever. It has nothing to do with that at all. You're talking about a government entity (the school) punishing a private organization for actions of its prospective new members, which are offensive, but caused no actual harm.

Let's say I find abortion to be absolutely offensive (I don't really). The University's chapter of N.O.W. or whatever feminist group has a rally supporting abortion rights. They go so far as to encourage abortion as a form of birth control, even going so far as to say that an abortion occuring well within the third trimester ought to be available on demand. Being offended, would you say that I ought to be able to expect the university to revoke their recognition of participating groups because they offended me? Why not?

Do you find the naked female body to be all that offensive? Why is that?

Stay away from art museums

Soul D-Psi-ple · #2 09-13-2006, 02:52 PM

Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism. There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....

Anyways, I'm not surprised by this. It is UGA after all.

RU OX Alum · #3 09-13-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism. There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....

but would closing their chapter really remove any ignorance? I think it would only cause more tension and set up an "us vs. them" mentality or continune or worsen it.

Soul D-Psi-ple · #4 09-13-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

but would closing their chapter really remove any ignorance? I think it would only cause more tension and set up an "us vs. them" mentality or continune or worsen it.

No, it would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance. I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?

DSTCHAOS · #5 09-13-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?

Accredited 4-year insitutions have been associated with MUCH worse and managed to not complain about it.

Soul D-Psi-ple · #6 09-13-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Accredited 4-year insitutions have been associated with MUCH worse and managed to not complain about it.

True they have been. But now, it's 2006. The question is, do they CURRENTLY want to be associated with ignorance?

DSTCHAOS · #7 09-13-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

The question is, do they CURRENTLY want to be associated with ignorance?

Some institutions CURRENTLY don't care until they are forced to care.

LaneSig · #8 09-13-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

No, it would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance. I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?

Please remember, we do not know if Chi Phi sanctioned their pledges to do this. It has been established that some Chi Phi pledges did it, but the membership has denied that this was a 'pledge project'. If the pledges did it on their own, they should be kicked out of Chi Phi. But, the fraternity chapter as a whole should not be punished because of something stupid that some guys - [U]who are not even members yet[U] did.

If it is proven that the chapters members got together and said: "Hey, how about this for a project to build cohension. We have the pledges take pictures of people's reactions to a porn magazine being shoved in their faces! And, better yet, let's make it a porn mag featuring black women!" "Yeah, man, that sounds like a great idea! That will totally build brotherhood and cohesion for the chapter!" If this scenerio is proven, I whole heartedly support sanctions against the whole chapter. But, not until it's been proven.

shinerbock · #9 09-13-2006, 04:41 PM

Why does it happening at UGA have anything to do with it?

mulattogyrl · #10 09-13-2006, 04:43 PM

I'm trying to understand what the women being black had to do with anything.

Soul D-Psi-ple · #11 09-14-2006, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Why does it happening at UGA have anything to do with it?

The fact that YOU even said something....

macallan25 · #12 09-13-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

No, it would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance. I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?

The organization was never found to have had anything to do with it. It was a few dumbass pledges....just because the paper mentioned that they were Chi Phi pledges doesn't make the chapter responsible.

There are alot of 4 year accredited institutions that have had much worse than this happen.

And I found it interesting that you would say you "weren't surprised by this since, afterall, it is UGA." What is that supposed to mean?

Kevin · #13 09-13-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism.

Yes, the similarity is that some people find all these things to be offensive. Are you going to try and tell me that your being offended is worht more than someone else being offended? That's pretty darned arrogant.

People opposed to abortion (again, I'm not one of them, but I think this is a great example) believe that abortion is the same as killing babies. What you are saying is that it's okay to offend someone who thinks you're promoting baby killing, but an action which states nothing racist, but makes you feel they had racial intentions is not okay? Those are some interesting lines you've drawn there.

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There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality.

So you'd like the government to protect you from things which offend people? Or just things which offend only you?

You're asking for the government to close an organization which can't even directly be connected to the event. Their only connection was that these (two?) kids were members and they were doing something which caused contraversy. So far, you nor anyone has been able to show the fact that Chi Phi is directly responsible for this.

You'd have the University penalize the entire organization without a shred of proof other than circumstance and speculation just because some probationary members did something maybe on their own accord which angered you. Am I not accurate?

Soul D-Psi-ple · #14 09-14-2006, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Yes, the similarity is that some people find all these things to be offensive. Are you going to try and tell me that your being offended is worht more than someone else being offended? That's pretty darned arrogant.
No. I said that comparing the issue of abortion to racism does not make any sense. Now, of course this is my opinion. People debate about whether abortion is right or wrong. When it comes the issue of racism, IT IS CLEARY WRONG! LOL That's what I'm saying.

People opposed to abortion (again, I'm not one of them, but I think this is a great example {if you say so...})believe that abortion is the same as killing babies. What you are saying is that it's okay to offend someone who thinks you're promoting baby killing (never said that), but an action which states nothing racist, but makes you feel they had racial intentions (it was inappropriate) is not okay? Those are some interesting lines you've drawn there.

So you'd like the government to protect you from things which offend people? Or just things which offend only you?

I could careless actually.

You're asking for the government to close an organization which can't even directly be connected to the event. Their only connection was that these (two?) kids were members and they were doing something which caused contraversy. So far, you nor anyone has been able to show the fact that Chi Phi is directly responsible for this.

I don't believe any org should be closed. I hate seeing that. They should be punished however.

You'd have the University penalize the entire organization without a shred of proof other than circumstance and speculation just because some probationary members did something maybe on their own accord which angered you. Am I not accurate?

Those probationary MEMBERS represent Chi Phi. There are some things that you just don't do when you are representing a national organization. Actions must take place. Chi Phi IS responsible for the actions of their PROBATIONARY MEMBERS and they must be accountable for them.

People! These are grown @ss men! Let them be accountable for their actions! LOL

MysticCat · #15 09-14-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

Those probationary MEMBERS represent Chi Phi. There are some things that you just don't do when you are representing a national organization. Actions must take place. Chi Phi IS responsible for the actions of their PROBATIONARY MEMBERS and they must be accountable for them.

So when Chi Phi accepted these guys as pledges, the chapter assumed responsibility for every thing any pledge does? Remarkable.

If two underage, probationary members of your chapter are caught drinking in their dorm rooms or on the sidewalk, should your whole chapter be held accountable and punished?