UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

BabyPiNK_FL · #1 09-13-2006, 12:44 PM

It's not only racially offensive, but sexually offensive. My opinion is only my opinion. Most likely that will not happen because it won't be taken as a very "serious" offense as that is the usual response when "boys will be boys" regardless of how stupid or offensive the act is. I'm taking a lot of Women's Studies courses this semester and the things I am learning about sexism and racism are really opening my eyes to the world and the way it involves myself. It was solely my opinion. That's all.

AlphaFrog · #2 09-13-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

It's not only racially offensive, but sexually offensive.

I hope you mean that it's sexually offensive to those who were forced to look at the pics, because it really can't be offensive to the paid models who voulentarily posed for the magazine, and were fairly compensated.

Elephant Walk · #3 09-13-2006, 01:38 PM

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I'm taking a lot of Women's Studies courses this semester

Have fun being poor and hairy.

BabyPiNK_FL · #4 09-13-2006, 10:19 PM

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Have fun being poor and hairy.

Why would you assume that because I take Women's Studies classes that A) it is my major and future career path and B) I am a hairy person? I am NOT a feminist, but I do identify with many of the issues that they tackle because I am a woman. We are learning in our course how many woman avoid feminism because people (like yourself for example) like to make negative and offensive remarks that broadly stereotype their physical characteristics, sexuality, and career choices. We are also discussing how men (the dominant class) use "scare tactics" like your words above to discourage (whether knowingly doing so or not) women from defending their rights because of the dominant patriachal society that has been with us since the dawn of man/woman. I don't have a problem with ANYONE taking their clothes off to make money, but I do have a problem with someone feeling that it is okay to expose these pictures to those who are not willing viewers. Even now if someone wants to debate whether it's sexist or racist, that's fine, they have the right to do so. But I (as is ME MYSELF AND I AND NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY OTHER PERSON BUT MYSELF) firmly believe that tolerance of such acts (like the ones committed), if not addressed and immediately dealt with, give the impression that behavior like this is okay. And it's NOT OKAY.

DSTCHAOS · #5 09-13-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Why would you assume that because I take Women's Studies classes that A) it is my major and future career path and B) I am a hairy person? I am NOT a feminist, but I do identify with many of the issues that they tackle because I am a woman. We are learning in our course how many woman avoid feminism because people (like yourself for example) like to make negative and offensive remarks that broadly stereotype their physical characteristics, sexuality, and career choices. We are also discussing how men (the dominant class) use "scare tactics" like your words above to discourage (whether knowingly doing so or not) women from defending their rights because of the dominant patriachal society that has been with us since the dawn of man/woman.

I used to be on the "I'm NOT a feminist" tangent because I bought into the (gendered) stereotypes.

For clarity's sake:
There are different waves and extremes of feminism since the formal feminist wave of the 1970s. All that aside, being a (male or female) feminist simply means that you believe in equality across sex and gender.

BabyPiNK_FL · #6 09-13-2006, 11:03 PM

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I used to be on the "I'm NOT a feminist" tangent because I bought into the (gendered) stereotypes.

For clarity's sake:
There are different waves and extremes of feminism since the formal feminist wave of the 1970s. All that aside, being a (male or female) feminist simply means that you believe in equality across sex and gender.

I say that I'm not a feminist because for me it means being an active advocate for the rights of females. At this point in time, while I gladly stand up for my rights as best as I can, I don't have time to pursue them heavily. Perhaps when I'm older with a steady, proper job then I will devote more time to raising awareness for the worldwide injustice towards women. Right now, I'm just trying to make it through college!

DSTCHAOS · #7 09-13-2006, 11:05 PM

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I say that I'm not a feminist because for me it means being an active advocate for the rights of females.

That's not what it means, though.

mulattogyrl · #8 09-14-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Why would you assume that because I take Women's Studies classes that A) it is my major and future career path and B) I am a hairy person? I am NOT a feminist, but I do identify with many of the issues that they tackle because I am a woman. We are learning in our course how many woman avoid feminism because people (like yourself for example) like to make negative and offensive remarks that broadly stereotype their physical characteristics, sexuality, and career choices. We are also discussing how men (the dominant class) use "scare tactics" like your words above to discourage (whether knowingly doing so or not) women from defending their rights because of the dominant patriachal society that has been with us since the dawn of man/woman. I don't have a problem with ANYONE taking their clothes off to make money, but I do have a problem with someone feeling that it is okay to expose these pictures to those who are not willing viewers. Even now if someone wants to debate whether it's sexist or racist, that's fine, they have the right to do so. But I (as is ME MYSELF AND I AND NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY OTHER PERSON BUT MYSELF) firmly believe that tolerance of such acts (like the ones committed), if not addressed and immediately dealt with, give the impression that behavior like this is okay. And it's NOT OKAY.

Girl I don't even know why you answered him. LOL

Kevin · #9 09-13-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

It's not only racially offensive, but sexually offensive. My opinion is only my opinion. Most likely that will not happen because it won't be taken as a very "serious" offense as that is the usual response when "boys will be boys" regardless of how stupid or offensive the act is. I'm taking a lot of Women's Studies courses this semester and the things I am learning about sexism and racism are really opening my eyes to the world and the way it involves myself. It was solely my opinion. That's all.

Well, what you are proposing goes way beyond "boys will be boys" or whatever. It has nothing to do with that at all. You're talking about a government entity (the school) punishing a private organization for actions of its prospective new members, which are offensive, but caused no actual harm.

Let's say I find abortion to be absolutely offensive (I don't really). The University's chapter of N.O.W. or whatever feminist group has a rally supporting abortion rights. They go so far as to encourage abortion as a form of birth control, even going so far as to say that an abortion occuring well within the third trimester ought to be available on demand. Being offended, would you say that I ought to be able to expect the university to revoke their recognition of participating groups because they offended me? Why not?

Do you find the naked female body to be all that offensive? Why is that?

Stay away from art museums

Soul D-Psi-ple · #10 09-13-2006, 02:52 PM

Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism. There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....

Anyways, I'm not surprised by this. It is UGA after all.

RU OX Alum · #11 09-13-2006, 02:57 PM

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Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism. There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....

but would closing their chapter really remove any ignorance? I think it would only cause more tension and set up an "us vs. them" mentality or continune or worsen it.

Soul D-Psi-ple · #12 09-13-2006, 03:00 PM

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but would closing their chapter really remove any ignorance? I think it would only cause more tension and set up an "us vs. them" mentality or continune or worsen it.

No, it would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance. I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?

DSTCHAOS · #13 09-13-2006, 03:02 PM

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I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?

Accredited 4-year insitutions have been associated with MUCH worse and managed to not complain about it.

Soul D-Psi-ple · #14 09-13-2006, 03:09 PM

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Accredited 4-year insitutions have been associated with MUCH worse and managed to not complain about it.

True they have been. But now, it's 2006. The question is, do they CURRENTLY want to be associated with ignorance?

LaneSig · #15 09-13-2006, 04:03 PM

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No, it would not remove individual ignorance, but it would remove an organization from the campus that represents ignorance. I can't really think of any accredited 4-year institution that wants to associated with that. Can you?

Please remember, we do not know if Chi Phi sanctioned their pledges to do this. It has been established that some Chi Phi pledges did it, but the membership has denied that this was a 'pledge project'. If the pledges did it on their own, they should be kicked out of Chi Phi. But, the fraternity chapter as a whole should not be punished because of something stupid that some guys - [U]who are not even members yet[U] did.

If it is proven that the chapters members got together and said: "Hey, how about this for a project to build cohension. We have the pledges take pictures of people's reactions to a porn magazine being shoved in their faces! And, better yet, let's make it a porn mag featuring black women!" "Yeah, man, that sounds like a great idea! That will totally build brotherhood and cohesion for the chapter!" If this scenerio is proven, I whole heartedly support sanctions against the whole chapter. But, not until it's been proven.