UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

AGDLynn · #1 09-12-2006, 06:51 PM

On a somewhat related note, today at work, a lady on the phone told me that she wanted to talk with a "black person" because I didn't seem to be too concerned about her problem....this after she kept insisting that she moved to WA State because a certain GA county's law enforcement agency and district attorney were out to get her. She kept saying that she was off her meds (yea, I can see that, lol.). I was trying to help her but she wouldn't give her name so I could look up her case!

I told her how did she know that I wasn't black. She said that "I sounded white".

so I transferred the call to my co-worker. The caller then told her that she wanted to talk to someone older. P said what was "young"? The caller said "25". P is just a few years shy of 60, lol.

It doesn't matter to me if you are purple with pink stripes and orange polka dots. If you don't give me your name, I can't help you. (Don't blame me if you got arrested!).

BabyPiNK_FL · #2 09-12-2006, 11:53 PM

My best friend is a Chi Phi and we are both black, this is a real shame. But one person does not speak for all, etc. etc. etc. Hopefully, they will A) get kicked off campus and B) personally learn from this experience.

macallan25 · #3 09-13-2006, 12:06 AM

How do you know the Chi Phis had anything to do with this?

Kevin · #4 09-13-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

My best friend is a Chi Phi and we are both black, this is a real shame. But one person does not speak for all, etc. etc. etc. Hopefully, they will A) get kicked off campus and B) personally learn from this experience.

Why do you think an organization would be kicked off campus when they had two pledges do something offensive (not illegal) which cannot be directly tied to the organization?

It seems you're jumping the gun on a few points in making these assumptions.

shinerbock · #5 09-13-2006, 12:54 AM

I hate it when people use "racism" as a reason to kick people off campus. Just leave them be, and let them have a reputation as being racist. I remember when Auburn tried to kick off Beta a couple years back, only to have Beta file suit and Auburn blinked. I don't like a society that unnaturally punishes the way people think, generally, the direct result of their actions will be punishment enough. I'm not saying that the porn thing isn't worthy of punishment, but it shouldnt have anything to do with race. We need to stop trying to protect everyone's feelings.

RU OX Alum · #6 09-13-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDLynn

It doesn't matter to me if you are purple with pink stripes and orange polka dots. If you don't give me your name, I can't help you. (Don't blame me if you got arrested!).

It should matter to you if someone is purple. It means they are choking. Stop asking for their name and do the Heimlich.

Just kidding, just trying to lighten up the mood a little bit.

I think that society overall is racist, but that kneejerk reactions like banning chi phi's chapter isn't going to help anything. Really, though, the only thing Chi Phi is clearly at wrong for is giving bids to whoever thought this would be a good idea. It really is a shame, all the way around. A few dipwads ruin everybody's fun time and almost start a race war.

I also don't think that giving out porn is worthy of punishment. Their punishment will be being known as the fraterinty that gave out porn.

BabyPiNK_FL · #7 09-13-2006, 12:44 PM

It's not only racially offensive, but sexually offensive. My opinion is only my opinion. Most likely that will not happen because it won't be taken as a very "serious" offense as that is the usual response when "boys will be boys" regardless of how stupid or offensive the act is. I'm taking a lot of Women's Studies courses this semester and the things I am learning about sexism and racism are really opening my eyes to the world and the way it involves myself. It was solely my opinion. That's all.

AlphaFrog · #8 09-13-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

It's not only racially offensive, but sexually offensive.

I hope you mean that it's sexually offensive to those who were forced to look at the pics, because it really can't be offensive to the paid models who voulentarily posed for the magazine, and were fairly compensated.

Elephant Walk · #9 09-13-2006, 01:38 PM

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I'm taking a lot of Women's Studies courses this semester

Have fun being poor and hairy.

BabyPiNK_FL · #10 09-13-2006, 10:19 PM

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Have fun being poor and hairy.

Why would you assume that because I take Women's Studies classes that A) it is my major and future career path and B) I am a hairy person? I am NOT a feminist, but I do identify with many of the issues that they tackle because I am a woman. We are learning in our course how many woman avoid feminism because people (like yourself for example) like to make negative and offensive remarks that broadly stereotype their physical characteristics, sexuality, and career choices. We are also discussing how men (the dominant class) use "scare tactics" like your words above to discourage (whether knowingly doing so or not) women from defending their rights because of the dominant patriachal society that has been with us since the dawn of man/woman. I don't have a problem with ANYONE taking their clothes off to make money, but I do have a problem with someone feeling that it is okay to expose these pictures to those who are not willing viewers. Even now if someone wants to debate whether it's sexist or racist, that's fine, they have the right to do so. But I (as is ME MYSELF AND I AND NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY OTHER PERSON BUT MYSELF) firmly believe that tolerance of such acts (like the ones committed), if not addressed and immediately dealt with, give the impression that behavior like this is okay. And it's NOT OKAY.

DSTCHAOS · #11 09-13-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Why would you assume that because I take Women's Studies classes that A) it is my major and future career path and B) I am a hairy person? I am NOT a feminist, but I do identify with many of the issues that they tackle because I am a woman. We are learning in our course how many woman avoid feminism because people (like yourself for example) like to make negative and offensive remarks that broadly stereotype their physical characteristics, sexuality, and career choices. We are also discussing how men (the dominant class) use "scare tactics" like your words above to discourage (whether knowingly doing so or not) women from defending their rights because of the dominant patriachal society that has been with us since the dawn of man/woman.

I used to be on the "I'm NOT a feminist" tangent because I bought into the (gendered) stereotypes.

For clarity's sake:
There are different waves and extremes of feminism since the formal feminist wave of the 1970s. All that aside, being a (male or female) feminist simply means that you believe in equality across sex and gender.

mulattogyrl · #12 09-14-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Why would you assume that because I take Women's Studies classes that A) it is my major and future career path and B) I am a hairy person? I am NOT a feminist, but I do identify with many of the issues that they tackle because I am a woman. We are learning in our course how many woman avoid feminism because people (like yourself for example) like to make negative and offensive remarks that broadly stereotype their physical characteristics, sexuality, and career choices. We are also discussing how men (the dominant class) use "scare tactics" like your words above to discourage (whether knowingly doing so or not) women from defending their rights because of the dominant patriachal society that has been with us since the dawn of man/woman. I don't have a problem with ANYONE taking their clothes off to make money, but I do have a problem with someone feeling that it is okay to expose these pictures to those who are not willing viewers. Even now if someone wants to debate whether it's sexist or racist, that's fine, they have the right to do so. But I (as is ME MYSELF AND I AND NOT SPEAKING FOR ANY OTHER PERSON BUT MYSELF) firmly believe that tolerance of such acts (like the ones committed), if not addressed and immediately dealt with, give the impression that behavior like this is okay. And it's NOT OKAY.

Girl I don't even know why you answered him. LOL

Kevin · #13 09-13-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

It's not only racially offensive, but sexually offensive. My opinion is only my opinion. Most likely that will not happen because it won't be taken as a very "serious" offense as that is the usual response when "boys will be boys" regardless of how stupid or offensive the act is. I'm taking a lot of Women's Studies courses this semester and the things I am learning about sexism and racism are really opening my eyes to the world and the way it involves myself. It was solely my opinion. That's all.

Well, what you are proposing goes way beyond "boys will be boys" or whatever. It has nothing to do with that at all. You're talking about a government entity (the school) punishing a private organization for actions of its prospective new members, which are offensive, but caused no actual harm.

Let's say I find abortion to be absolutely offensive (I don't really). The University's chapter of N.O.W. or whatever feminist group has a rally supporting abortion rights. They go so far as to encourage abortion as a form of birth control, even going so far as to say that an abortion occuring well within the third trimester ought to be available on demand. Being offended, would you say that I ought to be able to expect the university to revoke their recognition of participating groups because they offended me? Why not?

Do you find the naked female body to be all that offensive? Why is that?

Stay away from art museums

Soul D-Psi-ple · #14 09-13-2006, 02:52 PM

Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism. There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....

Anyways, I'm not surprised by this. It is UGA after all.

RU OX Alum · #15 09-13-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul D-Psi-ple

Comparing the offensiveness of Abortion to that of racism? Heh? No point was really made in that scenario. Controversy surrounds the issue of abortion, but IGNORANCE surrounds racism and sexism. There's right and wrong. What they did was wrong. It WAS offensive if black women do find it offensive. That's reality. Y'ALL do not find it offensive because you are not in their shoes. Many of y'all are quick to down play the situation when something like this happens....

but would closing their chapter really remove any ignorance? I think it would only cause more tension and set up an "us vs. them" mentality or continune or worsen it.